I had a good time...

[mixedgas]

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[ElektroFreak]

I'm certainly glad you had a good time, but why all the "redacteds"?

Oh wait, that's because you can't talk about it..

If you can't talk about it, why post about it? It's really no fun to read about it..

I think there should be a rule on all public forums as follows:

"Since public forums are intended to facilitate the public sharing of information and ideas, if you can't share information and ideas because of your feelings about whether or not your fellow laserists/hobbyists can be trusted with it, then don't post about it at all."

Sorry, in a way this all goes back to the whole "sensitive information" idea. Posts that contain all kinds of "sensitive and secretive" cloak and dagger crap have no place on a public forum..

Plus it's a tease for the readers.. that's my main issue with it.. I wanna know who and where you're talking about dammit!!!!! It's eating away at my soul like a swarm of parasites..


Again, I'm glad you had a good time though..

[allthatwhichis]

................

[ElektroFreak]

^See, that's what I'm sayin'!!!

QUOTE:
Oh wait, that's because you can't talk about it..

If you can't talk about it, why post about it? It's really no fun to read about it..
END QUOTE:

Ever consider my message was just a personal "thank you" to some one???

PS you can sign up here:

http://www.illuminatiorder.info

LOL....

Steve

Why not send an email or a PM?

[allthatwhichis]

It might be a public personal "thank you" to some one. I'll sign an NDA to see some pics.

[ElektroFreak]

Well, in that case allow me to personally thank {redacted} and {redacted} also. They should receive our public appreciation for something they apparently did someplace. Why else would there be a public thank you thread for them?

[mixedgas]

OK, ................Zap!

Steve

[ElektroFreak]

Ahhh, blissfully ignorant once again...


Sorry to be a pain, Steve, but I'm on a bit of a personal campaign against the idea of posts in public forums containing allusions to "secret" activities, ideas or information that is not to be disclosed due to distrust or previous agreement. The only reasons for posting such things in public are to show off status to others (I know stuff you don't, nah nah na nah nah) or to display a distrust of the fellow members of the community you are a part of, neither of which is a positive influence on the community or the forum.. IMO..

A far better option is to withhold all indications that the sensitive information you're seeking to protect even exists. That way, everyone wins. You are abiding by your NDA, and we, the public, are no wiser for it.

[Laserman532]

Thanks for the info Steve, I am all giddy about it

[ElektroFreak]

I believe the word "giddy" should be stricken from all public forums as well.. at least when used by grown men.

[polishedball]

It was a fun time!

[mixedgas]

[QUOTE=ElektroFreak;155603


Sorry to be a pain, Steve, but I'm on a bit of a personal campaign against the idea of posts in public forums containing allusions to "secret" activities, ideas or information that
end quote.

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I believe the word "giddy" should be stricken from all public forums as well.. at least when used by grown men. End quote.

OK, that does it. We will not be banning words here. Names, maybe, but not Words!!

GIDDY! GIDDY! GIDDY!


I must quote Charles Dickens, "I am as light as a feather, I am as happy as an angel, I am as merry as a school-boy. I am as giddy as a drunken man.


GIDDY, GIDDY, GIDDY

Better yet!

GIGGITY! GIGGITY! GIGGITY!



Steve

[ElektroFreak]

Well OK, if you feel that strongly about it!

[allthatwhichis]

I am as giddy as a drunken man.

I must be doing it wrong... I know I have been giddy, just not while or after drinking alcohol.

[mophead]

I get giddy when i rub rock salt and black pepper all over my butt.......uh


wrong thread.


Where'd my BBQ thread go?

[SideFX]

what the hell is this anyway..?

http://www.illuminatiorder.info

Does it relate to this..? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illuminati

[mixedgas]

what the hell is this anyway..?

http://www.illuminatiorder.info

Does it relate to this..? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illuminati

I get tired of being called a insider, If I was such a insider, why am I not damn rich?
Also,
Because it looked spookier then this one:

http://illuminati-order.com/join.html

Steve

[danielbriggs]

Because it looked spookier then this one:

http://illuminati-order.com/join.html

My profiles says I'm a member... perhaps...

[dsli_jon]

EF, et al...

...why all the "redacteds"?

Because Steve is a Gentleman, Scholar and generally all-around Good-Guy...he was - out of principle - simply not posting details about a job he was hired to help with, until the 'boss' (which is not even 'me' - it's the Client's 'NDA', really...) 'said' it was okey-dokey... and - sorry - still ain't, quite...Pics, to-come, "ASAP"...

But I can say this: It was a *really* challenging job: incredibly-demanding multi-billion-dollar Client, requiring almost aerospace-grade minutia- (both as-to color-matching and geometrics) -driven logo-projections on two sides of a glass-walled 36-story building, from 35-stories-up, simultaneously, in light-to-moderate rain (with a threat of thunderstorms) with comm-radio interference-challenges, (and all the rest of the 'classic-ails of a rush job')... One-side was a 200-plus-foot throw... and the second was 715' ... all into a ~ 15' x 80' projection zone...

All accomplished with 6-Days-till-show-day notice - including travel, by both plane and car - on 1/3 the up-front budget asked-for (it was: 'take it or leave it')...



...Oh, and having to negotiate FAA approval with the two-primary Regional contacts on vacation that week.


Yeah.


So, a HUGE and very-public Thank You to Steve and Carlos (from Cali) for their perseverance, fortitude and fidelity. And to Steve for NOT just 'posting pix', cause he felt 'giddy' about being a key part-of pulling-off a near-impossible gig....

...And to Carlos cause he drank me under the table. (kidding...he was a 'Good Boy'...in-case his GF is reading this...)

---

Ok, now for your 'pic-fix' (...something I *can* show you..)

One of the systems used was the (relatively) new RGB Systems "Compact 8" - and all I have to say is: WOW.

DSLI_C8_F.JPG

...4 - yes 4 - solid Watts of 642, 3-3.5W of 532 (utilizing a reportedly-new 'v-fold cavity' DPSS green, with incredible mod-linearity) and 2+ Watts of 445 (and these were clearly the 'narrow-stripe' Nichies, with really stellar beam-qual...)

Out of the window, we measured over 9W of WL, and even-turning the 'mucho-reddo' down, still saw a solid 8W of fairly-balanced white... to get 'perfect' white, we saw ~6.5-7-ish W's, but the green, especially, was really nice (modu-wise) - I was blown-away with the raster-image tests...fewest 'artifacts' I've seen, yet...

DSLI_C8_BmSht.JPG

TEC / thermal-management - cooling and heating - is very-intelligently designed (imho) and you have a nice, 'status' panel on the back for all the primary sys-PSUs and TEC-stats, and the 'usual RGB goodies' (X-Y invert / mirror / scaling, pot-control of all diode-powers for 'fine-tuning' color-balance, and - most-importantly - EXTERNAL convergence-adjustments, etc, etc...)

DSLI_C8_R.JPG

Granted, these puppies come with a pretty-hardcore price-tag, but with Sir Greg Makhov personally overseeing the certification-details / process for use in the US + his incredible tech-knowledge of these systems, and State-Side support (including emergency x-rentals, if need-be....) any service does not necessarily *have-to* go-back to Hungary.... All that 'piece of mind' is 'part of the price', so for a pro sho Co., it's like buying a tech-insurance policy...

Perfect? No, of course-not - what projector / sys-is, yet? But this thing is pretty darn-close....beautiful piece of engineering, really solid design and manufacturing... and bottom-line: awesome-results for the Client, even with such a 'demanding' show-environment / parameters....

I would love to see some super-linear (like this things' green) 457 or 460, even, added to the blue-side mix... (and of-course, direct-inj green, wouldn't we all... Perhaps some yellow,
then it'd be 'perfect'... Yes, yes, I know: 'OPSL', but if it were, all OPSLs, it would never be able to be so, well... 'compact' ...and it would also likely be 3x-the price...

Overall: ...and I had a good time, too....

...Till the next insanity-festival....

j

[polishedball]

EF, et al...




But I can say this: It was a *really* challenging job: incredibly-demanding multi-billion-dollar Client, requiring almost aerospace-grade minutia- (both as-to color-matching and geometrics) -driven logo-projections on two sides of a glass-walled 36-story building, from 35-stories-up, simultaneously, in light-to-moderate rain (with a threat of thunderstorms) with comm-radio interference-challenges, (and all the rest of the 'classic-ails of a rush job')... One-side was a 200-plus-foot throw... and the second was 715' ... all into a ~ 15' x 80' projection zone...

All accomplished with 6-Days-till-show-day notice - including travel, by both plane and car - on 1/3 the up-front budget asked-for (it was: 'take it or leave it')...



...Oh, and having to negotiate FAA approval with the two-primary Regional contacts on vacation that week.


One of the systems used was the (relatively) new RGB Systems "Compact 8" - and all I have to say is: WOW.

DSLI_C8_F.JPG

...4 - yes 4 - solid Watts of 642, 3-3.5W of 532 (utilizing a reportedly-new 'v-fold cavity' DPSS green, with incredible mod-linearity) and 2+ Watts of 445 (and these were clearly the 'narrow-stripe' Nichies, with really stellar beam-qual...)


j

WOW sounds like it was fun and stressfull all at the same time! Great looking piece of equipment you nee dto bring that to michigan

Congrats on pulling it all off.

[gottaluvlasers]

I WILL NOT BE COMMENTING ON THIS FU*KING JOB!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[carlos3621]

I WILL NOT BE COMMENTING ON THIS FU*KING JOB!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[gottaluvlasers]

lol-

thanks Carlos!!!

by the way, it was really great to meet ya!! next time we gotta grab a beer!

-Marc

[ElektroFreak]

I get tired of being called a insider

Steve, I know you're an extremely nice guy, and VERY knowledgeable.. you've helped me out before. I have major respect for you because of the fact that you're a good, decent guy. Even though I have high regard for you, I disagree with certain actions you claim to have taken and my respect for you doesn't keep me from speaking my mind:

You have been warned. You can also bet I and others will be calling Casio first thing Monday Morning.

Steve

I didn't have to call Casio, I emailed some one else. The issue is now going through "proper" industry channels.

Steve

If you (or anyone) are not wanting to be singled out as an "insider", then not taking it upon yourself to regulate hobbyist access FROM THE INSIDE would be an excellent place to start.

I find it incredible the work that you guys do, jobs like Jon described sound exceedingly challenging. Were it not for the pros, many of the innovations and techniques used today would not exist. I want to be extremely clear about that. I have much respect for all of you guys because of that. Steve, your contributions to the FAQ are priceless. They have helped me many times in the past.

Where our feelings differ greatly is in the idea that being a pro gives you the right to try to dictate to the world in general what they can and cannot have access to. Running off and trying to get manufacturers and authorities to restrict access would very much qualify as actions taken by someone who feels "entitled" to play dictator. Frankly, that's a crock of shit and I'll always be here (god and admin willing) to balance that sentiment with the opposing side of the coin. Fortunately those actions don't seem to have had any effect on the availability of these diodes so far.

The US has some outdated and draconian laser laws. It's unfair for anyone not in a position of governmental authority to take action that could affect laser enthusiasts worldwide based on US safety standards OR their own feelings about the risks involved. It has been proven over time in many other countries that US-style regulations are largely unnecessary. Laser shows are commonplace in Europe with safety violations that would make most US operators cringe, but has it become a crisis? No. Not even slightly. It's about as far from a crisis as you can be, while still falling short of perfect utopia. I know that many of you people will counter that idea by stating that we just haven't heard about all the injuries. If we haven't heard about them, then they can't be very common, and/or the injuries (if any) must not be very noticeable. If people were going blind or developing huge spots in their vision, someone somewhere would know about it for sure. I’ve asked previously, as have others, for some real solid evidence that the lax regulations found in other countries has increased the occurrence of injuries. Not once has any been presented. People always say “Well, we just aren’t hearing about them”. Sorry, that ain’t cutting it for me. Show me the evidence.

I know that you are very well respected Steve, and I include myself among those who have a deep respect for your knowledge and willingness to help people. I simply feel that this one action of yours was way out of line and displays a sentiment that I've seen a few times since I've been here, namely that the pros should keep certain things censored from the public for the public's own good because the public is collectively too stupid to act properly on their own. That is very disrespectful to everyone else IMO, because I feel (based on history) that the VAST majority of people are generally intelligent enough to not act in ways that could potentially harm others through negligence or otherwise. If an individual doesn't wish to share their personal knowledge and expertise for any reason, that is their right and I absolutely respect that. It's simply when someone decides to try to take blanket action to impose their will on the masses that I have a problem, and a HUGE one.

Sorry if this post pisses anyone off, but I'm as entitled to feel the way I do as anyone. I simply want to explain why I responded as I did earlier in this thread. It is not my intention to upset anyone.

[polishedball]

Steve, I know you're an extremely nice guy, and VERY knowledgeable.. you've helped me out before. I have major respect for you because of the fact that you're a good, decent guy. Even though I have high regard for you, I disagree with certain actions you claim to have taken and my respect for you doesn't keep me from speaking my mind:






If you (or anyone) are not wanting to be singled out as an "insider", then not taking it upon yourself to regulate hobbyist access FROM THE INSIDE would be an excellent place to start.

I find it incredible the work that you guys do, jobs like Jon described sound exceedingly challenging. Were it not for the pros, many of the innovations and techniques used today would not exist. I want to be extremely clear about that. I have much respect for all of you guys because of that. Steve, your contributions to the FAQ are priceless. They have helped me many times in the past.

Where our feelings differ greatly is in the idea that being a pro gives you the right to try to dictate to the world in general what they can and cannot have access to. Running off and trying to get manufacturers and authorities to restrict access would very much qualify as actions taken by someone who feels "entitled" to play dictator. Frankly, that's a crock of shit and I'll always be here (god and admin willing) to balance that sentiment with the opposing side of the coin. Fortunately those actions don't seem to have had any effect on the availability of these diodes so far.

The US has some outdated and draconian laser laws. It's unfair for anyone not in a position of governmental authority to take action that could affect laser enthusiasts worldwide based on US safety standards OR their own feelings about the risks involved. It has been proven over time in many other countries that US-style regulations are largely unnecessary. Laser shows are commonplace in Europe with safety violations that would make most US operators cringe, but has it become a crisis? No. Not even slightly. It's about as far from a crisis as you can be, while still falling short of perfect utopia. I know that many of you people will counter that idea by stating that we just haven't heard about all the injuries. If we haven't heard about them, then they can't be very common, and/or the injuries (if any) must not be very noticeable. If people were going blind or developing huge spots in their vision, someone somewhere would know about it for sure. I’ve asked previously, as have others, for some real solid evidence that the lax regulations found in other countries has increased the occurrence of injuries. Not once has any been presented. People always say “Well, we just aren’t hearing about them”. Sorry, that ain’t cutting it for me. Show me the evidence.

I know that you are very well respected Steve, and I include myself among those who have a deep respect for your knowledge and willingness to help people. I simply feel that this one action of yours was way out of line and displays a sentiment that I've seen a few times since I've been here, namely that the pros should keep certain things censored from the public for the public's own good because the public is collectively too stupid to act properly on their own. That is very disrespectful to everyone else IMO, because I feel (based on history) that the VAST majority of people are generally intelligent enough to not act in ways that could potentially harm others through negligence or otherwise. If an individual doesn't wish to share their personal knowledge and expertise for any reason, that is their right and I absolutely respect that. It's simply when someone decides to try to take blanket action to impose their will on the masses that I have a problem, and a HUGE one.

Sorry if this post pisses anyone off, but I'm as entitled to feel the way I do as anyone. I simply want to explain why I responded as I did earlier in this thread. It is not my intention to upset anyone.

What does this have to do with the laser show and fun that the guys par took in?