I had a good time...

[ElektroFreak]

What does this have to do with the laser show and fun that the guys par took in?

I was concerned with Steve's original post because it contained so many censored fragments that it was meaningless to most people. If the stuff is supposed to remain secret, why post about it at all? Then that reminded me of why I care about stuff like that in the first place, especially coming from Steve. Then I just decided to air my feelings in full.

I already apologized in advance if this upset anyone. If you'd prefer I could start a whole new thread about this. I gots no problem with that.

[dsli_jon]

Pat -

If you'd prefer I could start a whole new thread about this.

Yeah, I think the 'personal-laundry' would best-be taken to another thread... thx...

Hey Marc -

I WILL NOT BE COMMENTING ON THIS FU*KING JOB!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Well, I sincerely hope you mean 'Client' vs 'job' - I honestly think you'll be glad you 'passed'... we'll see...

Translation, for the rest of the class: The job - all things considered - was going pretty-dang well, until the last 7/8 of the shoot, when the (interim-)Client threw a real wrench into it.. basically, he shot himself in the foot on it, cause he veered waaay-off the spec'd / rehearsed-plan, and we simply could not react quite 'fast-enough' to suit the 'high-end' (end-)Client...

...We DID get the 'real-time changes' he called-for done, but they (end-Client) just did not feel like standing out in the rain, any-longer so he (interim-Client) will probably try (I anticipate) to tussle with us over $$.... you know how it is... some Clients will try anything to get a 'discount', deserved or not...

Bottom-line: we delivered - to the Contracted-letter - against pretty-heavy 'odds' / challenges, and delivered, very-well. 'Ultimate mission' was accomplished, they got their 'footage' and (end-) Client was pleased and all will get to where it was-intended-to... SO, 'why worry'?... no reason other than 17 years-experience....

...And that, btw, (past-experience) I believe is the ONLY 'spirit' behind any 'flags' that were raised over the 445-sources in those *ahem* projectors.. I don't think any of the 'pros' (...save-for one or two, that were clearly acting to save their financial-skin...) that lobbied for self-control / caution on simply-who those-things were getting out there-to, were doing-so for ANY other reason than, one akin-to 'WHY' we all encourage 'seat-belt' use in a car... restrictive? Yes. Curbs some 'personal-freedom'? Yes. 'Worth-it'? ...That should-be a self-answering question..

peace...
j

[carlos3621]

I also had a good time,

It was great to finally put a "face" to the laser braniac "mixedgas" aka Steve,
DSLI Jon, the Maestro , of this extremely complicated / difficult gig he pulled off.
And CTLasers Marc, whom i also had the pleasure to meet, on this trip,

I now know the secrets behind the "secret society" .


Till Next time !!!

Carlos

[ElektroFreak]

...And that, btw, (past-experience) I believe is the ONLY 'spirit' behind any 'flags' that were raised over the 445-sources in those *ahem* projectors.. I don't think any of the 'pros' (...save-for one or two, that were clearly acting to save their financial-skin...) that lobbied for self-control / caution on simply-who those-things were getting out there-to, were doing-so for ANY other reason than, one akin-to 'WHY' we all encourage 'seat-belt' use in a car... restrictive? Yes. Curbs some 'personal-freedom'? Yes. 'Worth-it'? ...That should-be a self-answering question..

peace...
j

I never questioned being cautious with who people sell these diodes to, but to try to block them for everyone? I don't know about that.. It had better be worth hearing me go on about it at length. I think it sucks and I don't keep my mouth shut when I smell shit (surely that's well known by now). Maybe I'd make more friends otherwise, but I really feel like people accomplish nothing by ignoring things they feel aren't right. If you see something you believe is wrong, what good does it do do sit by silently and do nothing? I'd much rather call it like I see it, and try to do something about it. Since I've never met you guys, all I can do is post about it. I would love to civilly discuss many of the issues I've ran into since I've been a member here in person. I'm sure that my outlook could be altered with a better understanding of the folks I've gotten to know here. I've been wrong many times before in life, so I'll admit I could be misunderstanding something about this, but what I've seen in this case I have an issue with.

Regarding your show, I would hope you delivered if you have 17 years of experience.. that what experience is for, to help you figure the best ways to deal with complex, ever-changing situations. Must have been a hell of a show..

[dsli_jon]

Regarding your show, I would hope you delivered if you have 17 years of experience..

at least 15 characters

[gottaluvlasers]

hey john-

yeah, sorry brotha. that was not geared toward you. that was geared toward the client. like you and i already discussed. My bad, i should have been more clear about that.

Trust me, if my problem was with you, you would know it!

@electrofreak:

i applaud your respectful way of questioning the intentions of some of what you see here. while i may or may not agree with some of your accusations and thoughts, i really appreciate your *respectful* and heart felt questioning of its purposes and intentions.

I have *MANY* of the same views you have on some of this. I may not have the same questions geared toward specific members, i do have many of the same views.

anyway, john- love ya brotha. sorry about the confusion.

-Marc

[dsli_jon]

Yo Marc...

hey john-

yeah, sorry brotha. that was not geared toward you. that was geared toward the client. like you and i already discussed. My bad, i should have been more clear about that.

Nah, no apologies needed... I figured as-much... but just wanted to make sure you weren't newly-upset, since I know you dealt-with enough frustration at that particular Client's hands... Like I said... I have a 'feeling' you'll end-up being glad you 'passed' - and that's all my comment about the '17 years..', meant - after such time-in, you 'live and you learn', knowhatimean? hopefully, the 'ignored-emails' since the end of the gig are just them truly being 'that-busy', and this 'red-light blinking', off in the corner of my mind, is only a 'false alarm'... we'll see....

peace...
j

[gottaluvlasers]

hey john-

i have M.H. direct cell #. do you need/want that?

[dsli_jon]

Hey Mahrc -

hey john-

i have ... direct cell #. do you need/want that?

Thanks, I have-it... + his office, etc.. Now, if you know his *home* address / phone.... ...kidding (for now.. I'm gonna just continue on and ride on 'faith' in the mans' word and signature.... we should be ok...there are ZERO grounds for us to get skanked, here, but since I have-been left jaw-agape before by people you would never-have thought to be 'dishonorable' and take-you, I'll continue to feel a bit concerned till this is fully in the black, ya know?... I'll let ya know how things 'get-on'...

peace...
j

[ElektroFreak]

Payment up front.. that's what you guys should require. This whole perform now pay later crap is for the birds, unless you're talking business between friends of course.

[dsli_jon]

Payment up front.. that's what you guys should require. This whole perform now pay later crap is for the birds, unless you're talking business between friends of course.

Gosh, really? Do ya think?? Gee, thanks, Pat! I don't know *what* I would do without your sage advice...

...And, what, exactly would you do when the Client (..against all 'normal' show-booking standards and your request for 50% min. Deposit to-Book, Balance-Due, day of Performance) says: '30% to-Book, Balance in 30 Days, likely within 15, take it or leave it...' ...But they have an international reputation for very high-profile jobs working with billion-dollar Clients (ie: Lexus, Radio Shack, etc...) - so you know you're not dealing with some 'fleabag / con-artist'? What-then?

FYI, everyone gets the same 'industry-standard' requirements to Book with a Deposit, from NASA, to USPS, to State-level Govs. to National-level Youth Orgs - we have only ever-given 'Terms' on a Balance TWICE in 17 years - once to a very high-level University (and even then, we insisted on a Deposit - they wanted us to wait for it all, and we said no-way...) and second, to this Client....

Just because you (a Sho Co) are smart in biz and know / use best-practices for your industry, does not mean that you can- or will-never get screwed, if someone simply decides-to, even without just-cause...

So, thanks for the 'advice', but I've got it covered... Oh, and thanks so much for 'taking a huge dump' in this thread... brilliant...

j

[Laser Zone]

Can we see the guts or is that top secret too ?

[dsli_jon]

Hey N -

Can we see the guts or is that top secret too ?

Guts of what?? If you mean 'pix', no - not 'top secret' simply under an 'NDA' (non-disclosure agreement) with the Client, which I have to respect, and not post pix-of, till they say it's ok... nothing 'sekret', simply biz...

If not 'pix', then, what? Translation, please...

peace..
j

[Laser Zone]

just pics of the internals . Looks great though .

[dsli_jon]

just pics of the internals . Looks great though .

Ohh, you meant the Compact-8?? Ah, well, no sorry on that front, too - nothing 'secret', simply a 'voiding-the-warranty issue'... Sorry, not on this puppy...

j

PS - Here is the 'OEM' info on the beast:

http://www.rgblasersystem.com/index....id=48&Itemid=5

..and a PDF of the 'internals' (simple 'dims', etc....no pix...)

http://www.rgblasersystem.com/index.php?option=com_vfm&Itemid=32&do=view&file=PD F+(Dimension)|Compact8RGB_1.PDF

ciao
j

[ElektroFreak]

Gosh, really? Do ya think?? Gee, thanks, Pat! I don't know *what* I would do without your sage advice...

...And, what, exactly would you do when the Client (..against all 'normal' show-booking standards and your request for 50% min. Deposit to-Book, Balance-Due, day of Performance) says: '30% to-Book, Balance in 30 Days, likely within 15, take it or leave it...' ...But they have an international reputation for very high-profile jobs working with billion-dollar Clients (ie: Lexus, Radio Shack, etc...) - so you know you're not dealing with some 'fleabag / con-artist'? What-then?

FYI, everyone gets the same 'industry-standard' requirements to Book with a Deposit, from NASA, to USPS, to State-level Govs. to National-level Youth Orgs - we have only ever-given 'Terms' on a Balance TWICE in 17 years - once to a very high-level University (and even then, we insisted on a Deposit - they wanted us to wait for it all, and we said no-way...) and second, to this Client....

Just because you (a Sho Co) are smart in biz and know / use best-practices for your industry, does not mean that you can- or will-never get screwed, if someone simply decides-to, even without just-cause...

So, thanks for the 'advice', but I've got it covered... Oh, and thanks so much for 'taking a huge dump' in this thread... brilliant...

j

Any time, jon.. you know I love ya.

[dsli_jon]

Any time, jon.. you know I love ya.

heh, PM me your mailing address, I wanna send you a giant 'salt-block' you can lick for when the 'pendulum's a-swingin' the other way'...

peace...
j

[ElektroFreak]

I'll get right on that... you keep an eye on those PMs now, y'hear?

g'night now Jon..

[gottaluvlasers]

Group Hug

[mixedgas]

just pics of the internals . Looks great though .

Popping the lid on a warranty item that costs more then the car Jon's driving is not a good idea.


If what I saw was correct, I'm sure, at a 7 out of 10 on the reliability scale, I'm pretty sure they they remount the red diodes into a tiny array, ie not in 5.56 mm cases. I'm not 100% sure of that, but it looks like it when see just the red.

Green is a "magic" V-fold with one of the new ND: materials that can modulate quickly. So I'm told..

Blues are looking like a standard knife edge.

I thimk(TM) that answers your question as best as I can.

My gym teacher in 7th grade had a sticker on his office he coached out of" Before you louse it up, Thimk!" its stuck with me for decades.

Steve

[dsli_jon]

I'm pretty sure they they remount the red diodes into a tiny array

Fortunately, I had a small plano-convex handy and when we 'blew-up' each beam to 'inspect', this is (roughly) what we found:

RGB_C8_BP.jpg

...very interesting, suggesting 16 x 250+mW @ 640nm to = ~4W; one very-peculiar 'egg-shaped' green spot (yes, it's the new 'v-cav', as-per Greg, but rasters were spectacular for a SS...) and, as you might expect, an h-v combo on the blue.... looked to be (possibly) two h-combo'd + two v-combo'd, ie: 4 x 500mW 445's to = ~2W... All 'sealed' in an internal 'brick', looking 'somewhat' like this (I'd imagine / from what little-you can see thru the scan window...) - copped from RGB's site:

RGB_RGBmodule.jpg

... and (I just found this...) check out the 'new green's mod-results: http://www.rgblasersystem.com/index....id=60&Itemid=1 ... pretty-awesome!....

All-in-all, really fine piece of engineering, smart thermal-management, and the 'external-convergence' controls really take the cake.. 'nicest-design' in the field, IMHO...

peace...
j

[ElektroFreak]

All-in-all, really fine piece of engineering, smart thermal-management, and the 'external-convergence' controls really take the cake.. 'nicest-design' in the field, IMHO...

peace...
j

Nice.. given the high price, if I bought one and it wasn't a damn fine piece of engineering I'd be downright pissed. It's kind of like the whole experience thing we were discussing. If you couldn't pull off a difficult gig after having done this for 17+ years, there's something wrong... Any time you buy an expensive piece of gear, it had better be worth it, just the same as when hiring people with years of experience. If they don't deliver, there's not much excuse. I can only imagine the shows that are possible when you put the two together.

Now if only I were a gazillionaire..

[flecom]

heh, PM me your mailing address, I wanna send you a giant 'salt-block' you can lick for when the 'pendulum's a-swingin' the other way'...

peace...
j

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[ElektroFreak]

^And don't {redacted} forget it, mofos..

[dsli_jon]

...if I bought one and it wasn't a damn fine piece of engineering I'd be downright pissed....

Well, ya see, Mr High-Horse...this is where that 'experience' comes-in... experience would not 'allow' you TO buy it, until you had thouroughy 'done your homework', even to the extent-of blowing a good-chunk of $$ for a 'rental' to actually try it out, in the field - and especially, under such 'demanding' conditions, as outdoors - with rain / high-humidity...So, the 'experienced' would-never buy such an item, until it was proved, indeed, it was the best you could-buy for your hard-earned $$, knowhatimean?...

...Even-so...

...just the same as when hiring people with years of experience. If they don't deliver, there's not much excuse.

There isn't ONE Sho Co in the WORLD that has not - at some-point - had SOMEthing take a show down, at least below the 'planned-level' of perfection... It is, in-fact, impossible to have EVERY unforseen-eventuality covered...

In this-projects' case, every Contracted-item was executed perfectly, to the letter... It was only-when the interim-Client went 'off the ranch', and his extracurricular request could-not be acheved fast-enough to placate the (already) impatient end-Client, who had been drug thru the rain (against our advice...) to see this-all...

The extra, end-of-demo items were achieved / delivered, simply not fast-enough for the rain-soaked billionaires to hang-out and see them, live... But the interim Client got several minutes of both HD stills and video, so, in 'post' they got everything they paid-for... and a good-deal more...

I guess I'm just a little confused at, where, exactly, you are 'coming from' with your 'points', in this thread...don't you think you're 'preachin to the choir', just a little-bit, here??

I can only imagine the shows that are possible when you put the two together.

Y-yeah, just imagine...

...(this was the 'boring-part'...)

j

PS - 'DSLI' is a tiny 'drop in the bucket', and I know it - but that's just fine... I'd rather have a 'sniper-team' than a 'giant, bloated-army', anyday...just so you know where I am comin-from...