I had a good time...

[ElektroFreak]

Well, ya see, Mr High-Horse...this is where that 'experience' comes-in... experience would not 'allow' you TO buy it, until you had thouroughy 'done your homework', even to the extent-of blowing a good-chunk of $$ for a 'rental' to actually try it out, in the field - and especially, under such 'demanding' conditions, as outdoors - with rain / high-humidity...So, the 'experienced' would-never buy such an item, until it was proved, indeed, it was the best you could-buy for your hard-earned $$, knowhatimean?...

...Even-so...



There isn't ONE Sho Co in the WORLD that has not - at some-point - had SOMEthing take a show down, at least below the 'planned-level' of perfection... It is, in-fact, impossible to have EVERY unforseen-eventuality covered...

In this-projects' case, every Contracted-item was executed perfectly, to the letter... It was only-when the interim-Client went 'off the ranch', and his extracurricular request could-not be acheved fast-enough to placate the (already) impatient end-Client, who had been drug thru the rain (against our advice...) to see this-all...

The extra, end-of-demo items were achieved / delivered, simply not fast-enough for the rain-soaked billionaires to hang-out and see them, live... But the interim Client got several minutes of both HD stills and video, so, in 'post' they got everything they paid-for... and a good-deal more...

I guess I'm just a little confused at, where, exactly, you are 'coming from' with your 'points', in this thread...don't you think you're 'preachin to the choir', just a little-bit, here??



Y-yeah, just imagine...

Attachment 18489...(this was the 'boring-part'...)

j

PS - 'DSLI' is a tiny 'drop in the bucket', and I know it - but that's just fine... I'd rather have a 'sniper-team' than a 'giant, bloated-army', anyday...just so you know where I am comin-from...

Where I'm comin' from Jon, is that I (on my VERY high horse, for sure) will be impressed when you design some systems of your own, build them yourself, get them varianced and use THEM for your shows like so many of us hobbyists and semi-pros do. Maybe you already do that too, but I haven't seen it. Look, I'm real happy you've got the experience and cash to throw around, but I'm even more impressed by every single handmade system built by every single hobbyist on this board than I am with your high-dollar toys that us simple folk can't even get unless we stick our tongues up someone's ass somewhere.. It's the same reason that I have orders of magnitude more respect for a guy who spend summers with his kids building a '32 Ford coupe than I do for some douchebag who went out and bought a Ferrari. See what I'm sayin? So it's great that you play with the big dogs, and it's great that you're awesome and all, but me? I could give a rat's ass about that. Instead give me hobbyists and their hard work, innovation, and desire to do this not to show off how great they are, but to have fun and contribute knowledge and their experiences here, to other hobbyists..

[mixedgas]

Electrofreak,

..I can testify that Jon hand builds his own world class beamtables, I used one for a weekend.
Damn fine sheet metal work and very compact. 8 position beam table with double turrents and a scan head in less then 30 inches. No milling machine, just a tabletop shear, aircraft shears, and a dremel tool. In other words hand work with a sharp scribe and a good eye. And yes, if you look closely, some ripples in the edges, but it was one of the easiest to use, compact projectors I've ever seen.

He does not use megadollar hardware for most gigs. Full Auto and a ancient Touch Pad for the most part.

....He started out at the same time I did at the same LFX conferences I did and worked his way up from hobbyist just like I did. Hes trained as a professional graphic artist, and his artwork is hand rotoscoped and fabtastic.

....He started out at zlich in his garage, as did most "professionals". He may not seem like it on line, but he's a very modest, down to earth guy when you work with him, and he thinks of his crew, You get decent shelter, food, and a bar tab when the work is done. He's one of the few guys I know that pick up water and ice pre gig. He plans ahead and doesn't yell. Hell he took a Cot for 4 days and gave Carlos and I the bed's in the room. It speaks volumes for a person if I offer them my bed when I'm on the road, and I did. He still took the cot. We'd get in at midnight or 1 Am or 3 AM and he'd start right in on emails and digitizing the next gig.

Plus, he freely gives to the hobbyist community, the Skeeta Skrim invention is brilliant, and most folks would have considered that a major trade secret, but yet its out there.

I think you got him all wrong!

... I'm sorry you have this chip on your shoulder about people who make money with lasers, but I assure you its hard work, with low returns. There is no conspiracy barring your entry, and only one varianced laserist in the immediate ST Louis area, I know him, I partially trained him, and he DJs weddings and parties, and you could easily beat him at his game if you tried. So how about ditching the chip on your shoulder and get out there and do something, even if its just a freebie show for a school or church or the scouts or something. Your starting to sound like a hypocrite if not down right whacko nuts.

Please lighten up and go do some lasing.

Steve

[ElektroFreak]

Hmm, great that's amazing. I'm still sticking with the hobbyists (and other pros) who with limited funds and expertise have contributed volumes of knowledge and worthwhile experience here that other hobbyists with our limited funds and expertise can put to use in our real-world designs that anyone can build WITHOUT having to kiss every ass from here to the Potomac. That's the kind of information and experience hobbyists can actually use. So it's great that he started out in his garage.. it would appear that somewhere along the way he lost touch with his roots. After all, it's not the average Joes here that are showing off their megebucks commercial laser projector that they are so very privileged to have acquired and that none of us mere mortals could ever hope to achieve ownership of (through both our lack of funds and experience) as a way of showing off their immensity in the world of laser shows. I know who Jon is. It's great that he is who he is. I still don't really care.

Oh, and I did forget to add a not-so-friendly reminder that I just don't really like Jon. Anything that gets his blood a-pumpin is sweet by me. Feel the love?

[ElektroFreak]

Not nuts, just passionate. And for all you or anyone here knows I do plenty for people I care about. There's a whole lot about me that no one on the fucking internet knows, and that's the way it should be. Just because I could give a crap about some guy on the internet named Jon doesn't make me nuts and it doesn't mean I feel that way about people in general. I do my very best to contribute my own knowledge and experiences here as much as possible given MY lack of funds and experience. I have every right as a human being to feel any way I desire about another human being, I just tell them how I feel straight up instead of dancing around it like a pansy. It's not like Jon's done anything to make the situation better. I'm sure the feeling is mutual, and so be it.

Now I'm sorry that you have an issue with me and my ways or the people I take issue with, but I'm me. If you don't like it, well shucks I'm sure I'll lose a TON of sleep over that. Here's ths thing about me: I don't change because people say it's what I should be doing, or because my views aren't what they want them to be.

[carlos3621]

Some of the members on this board , actually make a living performing laser shows.
Perhaps they dont have the time to do R&D on laser module assy....?

I Think, after you get over the excitment of building your own laser modules / projectors....
you too, will step up and purchase a Projector, that performs as it should.

just ask (allthatwhichis), if im correct, he (like myself) , allready spent numerous hrs. building a projector, but ultimately, ended up buying a completed unit.

I think what this boils down to is, you have a personal issue with him and some of the other members on here....
but keep in mind, this is just a forum, where anyone can come here and throw in their .02$
No sense if getting mad over anything,,,, if somebody posts something on here, that i dont agree with, i will respond with my opinions, and MOVE ON!

[carlos3621]

BTW, im just like you in that,
i tell it like i see it.....i give credit when credit is due, and if i disagree, i will respond with my opinions/experiences on the subject,

BUT i try to not take anything on here personal, like i said previously, this is just a forum...
(A KICKASS ONE @ THAT!)

[ElektroFreak]

but keep in mind, this is just a forum, where anyone can come here and throw in their .02$
No sense if getting mad over anything,,,, if somebody posts something on here, that i dont agree with, i will respond with my opinions, and MOVE ON!

That's what I've been saying forever now.

It's nothing personal. I don't know any of these guys personally. It's me voicing my $.02. Sucks if it pisses anyone off, but that's all it is.

[mophead]

That's what I've been saying forever now.

It's nothing personal. I don't know any of these guys personally.

That's sorta where I was going with our pm's.....

There are a large percentage of people on this board that know each other IN REAL LIFE.

The key is----------


We treat each other *online* as if we were in the same room *in real life*.

This is real life.

Please treat your fellow forum members as such.

[ElektroFreak]

Yeah I got that. Thanks for the advice, however unsolicited. I disagree about this (here, this forum, these interactions) being real life. I use the internet to vent my feelings from time to time, just the same as Jon does. Steve just verified that viewpoint by describing how Jon apparently is in real life. I pay my internet bill, not you or anyone else. I'll use it as I see fit.

Have you or anyone here seen even the slightest real desire from me to meet face to face? I wouldn't mind it, some folks here seem very cool, but I'm pretty much committed to doing this my way. I have every intention of attempting to one day start a company doing shows, when the time in my life is right for it. I'm stretched pretty thin right now, so no time for another business venture, but lasers are still something I really enjoy. When I do start doing this commercially it will be on my terms using my knowledge and expertise. Would I like help from people who know? Sure, but only with no strings attached. For now I'm just a hobbyist learning as much as I can all by my lonesome, that's all.

[gottaluvlasers]

just out of curosity, and i hate to add fuel to this fire, but where did this animosity between you and jon come from?

i only ask becasue EF- you seem like a pretty cool, laid back guy from what i know of you (admittedly very little) from this forum. And i know jon personally from a quite a few phone calls and a few in person meetings and he too is also a cool, laid back guy.

Just really curious where this little quarrel between you 2 came from.

-Marc

[polishedball]

Yeah I got that. Thanks for the advice, however unsolicited. I disagree about this (here, this forum, these interactions) being real life. I use the internet to vent my feelings from time to time, just the same as Jon does. Steve just verified that viewpoint by describing how Jon apparently is in real life. I pay my internet bill, not you or anyone else. I'll use it as I see fit.

Have you or anyone here seen even the slightest real desire from me to meet face to face? I wouldn't mind it, some folks here seem very cool, but I'm pretty much committed to doing this my way. I have every intention of attempting to one day start a company doing shows, when the time in my life is right for it. I'm stretched pretty thin right now, so no time for another business venture, but lasers are still something I really enjoy. When I do start doing this commercially it will be on my terms using my knowledge and expertise. Would I like help from people who know? Sure, but only with no strings attached. For now I'm just a hobbyist learning as much as I can all by my lonesome, that's all.

Then just start a thread in the lounge " how I feel about Jon" and keep all the off topic shit out of threads that usually contain good stuff. Are you sure all your lasers don't roll off the table? You seem very childish. Please start a new thread to respond how you don;t like me also. thanks good day ~

[polishedball]

Then just start a thread in the lounge " how I feel about Jon" and keep all the off topic shit out of threads that usually contain good stuff. Are you sure all your lasers don't roll off the table? You seem very childish. Please start a new thread to respond how you don;t like me also. thanks good day ~

Also remember earlier you even asked (solicited opinions) if you should take this elsewhere and were told to start a different thread.

[ElektroFreak]

Don't know about the 'laid back' part, but thanks Marc.

My issue with Jon stems from multiple conversations with him going south. In fact, nearly every time we speak, it's only him telling me about how my opinions suck, mostly because they involve my perception of actions by him or others. It's not an unpredictable response, to be sure. No one likes to hear it when people disagree with their views. It always ends up with me being told I should keep my opinions to myself in one way or another. Consequently, I try to remind him how I feel about him based on these interactions. Maybe I could keep my mouth shut, but that's not the kind of guy I am. I'm sure he's a great guy in person, but our experiences so far would seem to indicate that we don't gel well. I'll never keep my opinions of things to myself, and he'll never stop being pretentious towards me because I disagree with his views and so here we are.

Maybe Jon could fill in the blanks.

[ElektroFreak]

Then just start a thread in the lounge " how I feel about Jon" and keep all the off topic shit out of threads that usually contain good stuff. Are you sure all your lasers don't roll off the table? You seem very childish. Please start a new thread to respond how you don;t like me also. thanks good day ~

Are you gonna be ok man? I mean, I'd hate to think I made someone mad enough to call me names on the internetz. LOL you guys crack me up... g'night now folks.

[flecom]

Maybe Jon could fill in the blanks.

I don't fail to see the irony in this statement!

[dsli_jon]

'Evenin, Pat!...

Where I'm comin' from Jon, is that I (on my VERY high horse, for sure) will be impressed when you design some systems of your own, build them yourself...Maybe you already do that too, but I haven't seen it.

Wooip! Wooip! Wooip! SSumption-alert!!! The *real* reason that I don't (well, rarely-do) post pix of 'systems I've designed and built', is that #1, I DON'T want-to appear or come-across as 'showing-off' - in-fact, the reason why I rarely will-post pix of shows-done, either...Usually, it is to offer an idea / share a 'tip', etc... even if I am 'proud' of some work, it's pretty-rare I'll post it, unless 'just for fun' or relevant to some other thread... at 'worst', 'intent' is to only 'inspire' / add-to the great 'fire' that is already-here...

#2, for every pic I *could* post of my / our 'werk', here, there's 5 other PL-members, whos' werk makes even my best work look like tinkertoys! ie: 1 2 3 4 , need I keep-going? Why do you think I spend so much valuable-time, HERE, dude??? to get 'compliments'??? Pthptppth, FAIL! TO LEARN FROM OTHERS!!... I'm pretty-sure that's why 99% of PL's members are-here...

#3, there are, in-fact, a few 'competitors' of ours, that visit-PL, and really, I don't need to offer any 'justification' for not posting pix of DSLS' designs, here (which, btw, are mostly simple 'variants' or built-off of designs of the TRUE geniuses of the laser-show industry, MOST of whom are too humble the 'show' their stuff, as much as they-could, either...)

...Buuut, just so you know I'm not 'full of guano', have a look at my couple 'albums' under my profile (haven't had the time to do a 'proper' gallery...) for some of my 'basement-days', and then you can go click thru these...(redacted)...Again... really nothin 'special', and I can't recall EVER saying or 'fronting', otherwise... Compliant-designs, good-craftsmanship, and great-results, that is all I will ever 'give' DSLS....just the fact's ma'am...

..Sooo, I think you might need a 'new gag', there...

Look, I'm real happy you've got the experience and cash to throw around, ...with your high-dollar toys that us simple folk can't even get unless we stick our tongues up someone's ass somewhere.. So it's great that you play with the big dogs, and it's great that you're awesome and all,...Instead give me hobbyists and their hard work, innovation, and desire to do this not to show off how great they are, but to have fun and contribute knowledge and their experiences here, to other hobbyists..

Hahahaha! Oh, boy - thanks for that, Pat! - that was a really good laugh! I think you could save yourself a LOT of your self-feeding frustration by learning to READ MORE CAREFULLY. ...Where in the smack did I SAY I / we OWNED the 'C-8'? Please re-read Post #50, for the answer - and, then, you can take your entire argument-thread...

...it would appear that somewhere along the way he lost touch with his roots....After all, it's not the average Joes here that are showing off their megebucks commercial laser projector that they are so very privileged to have acquired and that none of us mere mortals could ever hope to achieve ownership of (through both our lack of funds and experience) as a way of showing off their immensity in the world of laser shows.

... about my 'pretentious-motives' for posting those pix here, and all your related / spin-off-assumptions about me / what my motives are / off-the-shelf-buyer -vs- scratch-builder theories, blah, blah, blah - and roll-it up, put it in your pipe, and smoke it. Richard.

It's the same reason that I have orders of magnitude more respect...than I do for some douchebag who went out and bought a Ferrari. See what I'm sayin?

Nah, not really... What about the guy who bought a Ferrari - WITH his 'scratch-build'... is he a douchebag?? http://www.photonlexicon.com/forums/...1897#post41897

In fact, nearly every time we speak, it's only him telling me about how my opinions suck, mostly because they involve my perception of actions by him or others....It always ends up with me being told I should keep my opinions to myself in one way or another. ...I'll never keep my opinions of things to myself, and he'll never stop being pretentious towards me because I disagree with his views and so here we are.

OK, #1, we've never actually 'spoken' - only via this admittedly-flawed form of 'communication'; #2, I've never 'pretended to be something I'm NOT', towards you or anyone else... I add what I *can* to this community, 'FWIW', and nothing more... no 'alterior motives', no secret agendas, and, certainly-no 'secret conspiracies' with the CDRH / ILDA to 'quash competition'...

...but - like you, and everyone else, here - I am free to comment on what I feel the need to express my feelings / opinions-on, whenever and however I react to-it - some are better at more 'tempered-replies' than others, but, in the end, if you're simply upset because I REFUSE to 'bow-down' to YOU, and your opinions, well, so-rry... if you can't take it, then don't 'dish it out'....

It's not like Jon's done anything to make the situation better.

OK, we've been thru this before... I have Publically Apologized, if I somehow offended you, at least once, and - as you, yourself suggested in this thread - was content to simply have you take your 'beef' with Steve's discretion, elsewhere, and not 'further derail' the purpose and intent of this thread... but you seem to continue to need-to make insinuating / motives-questioning posts... and for-what??? Especially, when 99% of your 'suppositions' were / are just-plain wrong.

I know who Jon is.

OK, Sigmund, whatever...

later, taco...
j

[ElektroFreak]

Was it really worth it to type all that crap when you know I could care less? Why bother to take the time? You know I'm just trying to get rise out of you... Damn, I can't say that I've ever said outright to someone that I don't like them, I don't care what they have to say and I'm trying to screw with them and still had to explain even more. I just don't give a crap anymore..

[ElektroFreak]

You know, you people act like in order for me to become a serious professional in this field I need to be a member of the little "family" here. What a load of shit! I don't EVER have to meet ANYONE here face to face if that how I choose things to be, and what little desire I might have had to meet people here has dwindled to almost less than nothing. I can continue my own experimentation without being active here at all, after all everything I know I learned on my own.. I designed and built my first projector well before I was ever a member here, and I can continue to design more without speaking to a soul here. I'll be starting any business related to laser shows by myself, without help from ANYONE here. Believe it or not there are many other resources pertaining to lasers, and I doubt that ILDA is going to reject my payment of dues when the time comes because some people here take their internet existence too seriously. It really is amazing how independent thought and actions can lead to good results when you take time to independently learn, and the most beautiful part is that you don't ever have to conform to what any other human being desires of you. So Jon et al. please take any opinions you have about me and stick them where the sun don't shine 'cause I sure couldn't give a crap in the slightest. Really. After all, I'm not aware of any forum rule that states that I have to even remotely like a single person here or act like it. I'm not exploding here or cursing uncontrollably, I'm just stating how things are.

Jon you're just pissed because what I might have to say goes against what you think it should. After our extremely unpleasant first encounter, I have had nothing but dislike for you and your ridiculous, insincere excuse for an apology. Anything I've said to you since then has been fueled only by that dislike, I could care less what you think of me.. Steve, while unlike Jon I hold you in high regard, I know that I posted thoughts recently about my feelings concerning your action to limit access to the new blue diodes, or try to make it so that only people you deem fit could get them. Of course I'm not going to subscribe to that kind of crap. If my inability to bend to a shape that you people find pleasing is a problem, that's just tough titties. You're asking me to alter my views to coincide with what I find to be unacceptable. That will never happen. Oh and the guy who built the laser system AND bought the Ferrari ain't you Jon. I've got no beef with Pat. What does he have to do with this discussion anyway?

[mixedgas]

I know that I posted thoughts recently about my feelings concerning your action to limit access to the new blue diodes, or try to make it so that only people you deem fit could get them.

End quote.

Electrofreak:

...When I was 18 back in 1988, I could not easily buy OEM laser parts. I got told I had to buy hene heads, instead of bare tubes. Why? Congress said so. Manufacturers had to put serial numbers on every plasma tube and maintain lists of the initial buyer. Why? So they could be recalled if there was a hazard or if misused. Makers of commercial lasers had to, and still have to, with a exception for pointers and certain consumer devices.
They still do, the law has not changed.

...Since your little excursion into bulk resale of the harvested Casio diodes was distribution of a large quantity of class IV lasers, without the US required labeling requirements, record keeping, etc You violated the law. Get off your damn high horse. I'm not the only one who has said this.

...Your damn straight I that I don't want my neighbors 12 year old kid having access to a 1 watt diode for $50 or 200$. Your damn straight that I don't want to walk into a club and get hit in the eye with 1 watt of static beam. Hell, walking into the local music store and getting hit, at eye level, with unexpected static 200+ mW was bad enough.

....Certain rules, regulations, and laws exist based on the learning experience of prior generations. Radiation safety has became a joke in the past 10 years, so we will have to live through the learning experience once again. Mark my words, as diodes start to follow Moore's law, incidents WILL, and already, are, happening. Just because there is no reporting mechanism in the US, does not mean that incidents are not happening. Anecdotal evidence is slowly starting to show up for incidents with static beams.

I openly admitted I wanted the damn things restricted, and that was NO reason for you to hijack my thread for your unlimited, lengthy, rants. I put up with it once, I will not again.

...You are not going to limit my posting here, and you are not going to destroy any of my future threads. I have bent over backwards to stay civil in this venue, but I can easily become the 350 pound silverback Gorilla in the room.

...You are not some "defender" of "laser freedom", the rules are already on the books and have been enforced in the past.

... If I can lobby to have the rules enforced, I will. OH wait, I DID. Its not like I was NOT open about it, either. You'll have to take my word for it, but I lobbied that legit, varianced, laser show use and hobby/educational use needs to be retained, its quasi production sales such as yours and illegal imports to the gneral public that I lobbied against. Did I have tens of thousands of dollars so I could get the law changed, no. But did I pick up the phone,yes. My right to do so is constitutional.

What is not legal or moral (As well as defacto not constitutional) is unlimited use of a high power device in public, with unsuspecting recipients. Even a libertarian will tell you that infringes on the rights of others. What you do to yourself is unlimited, until it has effects on me. Want to kill yourself, fine! As long as I don't have to pay taxes to care for your orphaned kids, widowed wife, and potters field for your burial. But when you place others at risk, you have just broken the social contract and are infringing their rights.

You do not need 1 watt laser pens at Walmart or at your kid's junior high school.

Example of how it gets out of control:

Long before diode pointers existed, I took a HENE to high school for my physics teacher to borrow. I carried it around all day, as it would not fit in my stuffed locker. At our school, locks were assigned and there were only about 5 different lock codes, anyways. So physical custody was a good idea, so I thought.

Well, in Gym class, my pals grabbed the laser, went up on the balcony, and decided that long distance laser probing measurement of various portions of female anatomy were in order. Oh, did I get in trouble, for that one. Not just a trip to the main office, but a lot of social trouble. (Sorry Amy! Sorry Jen! Sorry Ellie! ) At .85 mW of 633, and a 110V cord, not much of a issue. But today they could do that at a watt in a 6 inch package off a lithium cell. So don't tell me the &*^$& general public is ready for hand held use of high power lasers and nothing will happen. In 1988 nobody, outside of a small user community, had a clue about anything laser other then bar code scanners, and today the general public still does not.

Did I know better, yes, my dad made me read, memorize, explain, and sign the laser safety instruction book before I took the unit in. Did I exercise a reasonable standard of care, no.. Did it get my buddy Stevie D a date, yes.. Did it get me anywhere but massively henpecked for the next few weeks, no,... Did it have a social impact, yes. Did I run up the stairs and shut the damn thing off, fast enough, No. I was out of the gym when this started, back stage setting up for a event. Did I try to "illuminate" one young lady, yes. (So sorry Julie C.!)

...If it were not a private school, my ass would have been expelled and I would have been right back into the drug infested dump of my local school district. If that would have happened, I would have never made it to college. Instead, the principal, a physicist, got a kick out of the whole mess and adjusted the penalty. Private religious schools have, shall we say, some " unique" punishments. I still have the hene, at its rock solid at .80 mW.

So don't tell me these "minor" things do not have impacts. And dont give me some pseudo " liberty to do whatever you want" speech, the world does not work that way.

I learn from my mistakes. I have to, because if I screw up, people get hurt. That is the nature of the applied technology business. I have to have the foresight to see the potential impacts, and the skills to cope with the ones I miss. Part of that means keeping a eye on my fellow technologists, and praying that they keep a watchful eye on me.

"No man is an island, entire of itself...any man's death diminishes me, because I am involved in mankind; and therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls; it tolls for thee."

John Donne


Steve

[polishedball]

You know, you people act like in order for me to become a serious professional in this field I need to be a member of the little "family" here. What a load of shit! I don't EVER have to meet ANYONE here face to face if that how I choose things to be, and what little desire I might have had to meet people here has dwindled to almost less than nothing.

Still coming to MIDLEM? actually was looking forward to chatting in person to see how much the keyboards skew things.

[ElektroFreak]

I'm not sure how many times I can say it Steve: I don't give a crap about laser pointers, and I stopped selling the 445nm diodes as soon as I realized how powerful they really are. I am not in violation of any laws at the present time, and I resent the insinuation that I am. I just want people to be able to experiment freely and build their own lasers because I have immense respect for the DIYer. I just don't hate on pointers because I don't feel qualified to tell a large group of people that what they do with lasers is wrong. It's not my place since I'm not a representative of the government, and I don't see a real concrete problem with that usage personally. All I see is speculation with practically no supporting evidence.

Also, how exactly is it a violation of the law to sell laser diodes? The way I've understood this is that OEM laser components are perfectly legal to sell, be it class2, 3b, 4 or whatever. It's fully operational, complete laser systems that cannot be sold without CDRH approval. Of course I'm no lawyer, but there are a whole lot of folks selling OEM lasers and components that do not require CDRH approval for their goods. Honestly, I'm not sure anyone here knows what the hell is going on with the law any more than I do, what with the number of conflicting statements..

Furthermore, even if some of my views contradict what the Federal Govt. says is OK, what's the problem with that? Are we no longer allowed to question the government? Sometimes laws are silly and unnecessary.

You want to know who you keep getting wrong? Me.. and the opportunities to get to know who I really am are all but used up at this point because I've stopped caring. After all, the only thing many of you seem to be able to see is someone who presents a threat to your established norms. I question everything and blindly accept nothing, and I think that in the past my commentary has led to some interesting discussion and fact-sharing, not to mention clarification. But whatever, it's all wasted breath anyway.

[dsli_jon]

Was it really worth it to type all that crap when you know I could care less? Why bother to take the time?

Cause #1, I can type faster than you can backpedal, and #2, yes, because your commentaries always seem to drift 'personal' / or-to questioning someones 'motives' or experience, etc... You'll note that the ONLY time I ever have-had anything to say 'back' to you is when you have *publically* questioned my (or, my 'fellow professionals'...) character, business-sense / practices and motives...

You are fully-entitled to have and hold your opinions and ideas / approaches, etc - but just because I don't AGREE with your opinions, does not make your opinions - or your assumptions - fact. And NO-one is obligated to accept your opinions of them / things in life/biz / findings with lasers, etc, as 'gospel', however well-entitled you are to have/hold them.

You know I'm just trying to get rise out of you...I'm trying to screw with them...

So, then... you're saying that this is all just 'smoke' you've been blowing? You don't really dislike me and all your accusations of me of being a pretentious, self-serving, anti-hobbiest poseur, with no real-experience at scratch-building, etc - essentially, just a 'valueless scab' in this community - are faked? And what about all the others you've railed-against? ...All just 'chain-jerking', to 'get a rise' out of them? Well, I'd be careful, then, cause it seems to me that when past-members have used the forum to intentionally-'fekk' with other members, that usually ends-up being a first-class ticket to GTFO-landia...

I think the solution to this 'sparring' is real-simple, Pat: 'For every action (or post) there is a reaction (reply) - if you don't like the fires - - don't light the matches.

Oh, btw - meant-to ask: Have I somehow missed your 'gallery' of scratch-builds / innovations / helpful-tips/tricks, etc from the great quiver of past-experience from-which you draw your many arrows of advice? ...Would (sincerely) love to see your werk...

j

[ElektroFreak]

Cause #1, I can type faster than you can backpedal, and #2, yes, because your commentaries always seem to drift 'personal' / or-to questioning someones 'motives' or experience, etc... You'll note that the ONLY time I ever have-had anything to say 'back' to you is when you have *publically* questioned my (or, my 'fellow professionals'...) character, business-sense / practices and motives...

You are fully-entitled to have and hold your opinions and ideas / approaches, etc - but just because I don't AGREE with your opinions, does not make your opinions - or your assumptions - fact. And NO-one is obligated to accept your opinions of them / things in life/biz / findings with lasers, etc, as 'gospel', however well-entitled you are to have/hold them.



So, then... you're saying that this is all just 'smoke' you've been blowing? You don't really dislike me and all your accusations of me of being a pretentious, self-serving, anti-hobbiest poseur, with no real-experience at scratch-building, etc - essentially, just a 'valueless scab' in this community - are faked? And what about all the others you've railed-against? ...All just 'chain-jerking', to 'get a rise' out of them? Well, I'd be careful, then, cause it seems to me that when past-members have used the forum to intentionally-'fekk' with other members, that usually ends-up being a first-class ticket to GTFO-landia...

I think the solution to this 'sparring' is real-simple, Pat: 'For every action (or post) there is a reaction (reply) - if you don't like the fires - - don't light the matches.

Oh, btw - meant-to ask: Have I somehow missed your 'gallery' of scratch-builds / innovations / helpful-tips/tricks, etc from the great quiver of past-experience from-which you draw your many arrows of advice? ...Would (sincerely) love to see your werk...

j

No backpedaling, and no faking. I really mean what I've said to you Jon, you occupy a position of real loathsomeness in my mind (or at least what I know of you does). At least I'm decent enough to tell you how I really feel. As I just said, I don't know of any forum rule that states that I have to like or be friendly to anyone here. If I want to repeatedly fill you in on just where you stand on (or in your case below) my list of human beings, then that's what I'll do. You had no trouble lumping me in with idiots and morons, so what's the trouble with me lumping you in with pond scum? Your "solution", as always, is for me to keep my mouth shut. LOL!! That's hilarious, and you wouldn't respond to such a requirement yourself if someone said the same thing to you. If Admin sees fit to "cluebyfour" me, so be it. You won't hear me crying. With you, I'll happily light every match in the book, even if it costs me my membership, and consequently costs Admin my contributions. No sweat off my back, friend, but throughout this discourse I've done my very best to maintain a level head, and I don't believe that I've violated any forum rules. After all, I only respond to your posts, I don't follow you around starting shit. Sounds to me like the only solution here is for both of us to shut up. Every time you post something about me, I'll be there to post something about you. That's how this works. I was done with this thread completely until you posted post #50.

As far as my own "gallery".. I don't really feel the need to show off my work (done with my LIMITED funds and experience) to you or anyone, but as it just so happens I have a thread here which contains video of two of my first projectors in operation just so you know that I both do build my own projectors and contribute here: http://www.photonlexicon.com/forums/...d+DAC+tutorial

Now kiss my ass Jon.

[dsli_jon]

Your "solution", as always, is for me to keep my mouth shut.

No, of course I don't want you to keep your 'mouth shut' - you go right ahead and type whatever you want - just don't expect everyone to smoke your opinion-pipe / accept your version of what is 'gospel', and when you stand-corrected with the FACTS about someone / thing, well, why do you have to turn that into a flaming personal-hateball? ...Oh wait, cause I'm loathsome pond scum, sorry I forgetted...

As far as my own "gallery"..

Nice drawings... really. Any more pix of your projector guts / builds?

Now kiss my ass Jon.

No thanks, I'm not into 'that sort of thing'.... I'm quite happy with my Wifes'...

ciao
j

[ElektroFreak]

No, of course I don't want you to keep your 'mouth shut' - you go right ahead and type whatever you want - just don't expect everyone to smoke your opinion-pipe / accept your version of what is 'gospel', and when you stand-corrected with the FACTS about someone / thing, well, why do you have to turn that into a flaming personal-hateball? ...Oh wait, cause I'm loathsome pond scum, sorry I forgetted...



Nice drawings... really. Any more pix of your projector guts / builds?



No thanks, I'm not into 'that sort of thing'.... I'm quite happy with my Wifes'...

ciao
j

I don't expect anyone to agree with me ever. I don't think it's outside the realm of possibility to expect people to have a mind for how they respond to people who have opinions they don't share, though. If you respond by insinuating I'm an idiot and the next incarnation of prodjyou-know-what, we're going to have enduring problems like we're having now. I'm no idiot, and I also wasn't born yesterday, hence why I question everything. All too often in life I've run across things that aren't as they seem, and reasons for actions that aren't what they seem. Any time someone tells me "that's just how it is", I start questioning.

For whatever reason the links to the video in the link I gave you were bad. I've replaced them with working links. You can see the output of the projectors, but I don't really have any links to pics of the guts. Both of the systems shown there have been upgraded and installed in different cases. The green is in a modified 19" rack mount case, and the RGB is in an LKI LK-MC2 case, but all the laser modules have been upgraded very recently, and all the original electronics removed and replaced. The only things left from the original LKI system are the galvos/drivers. I only kept them because they work great and they're 30k. I've also got a couple 250mW green units now with 20k galvos in them. I'm still very early on in my laser show experiences, for sure. I'm under no illusions about that.

Now I'm getting off work, so I'm gonna go pay my wife a lil' visit (if ya know what I mean)..