The Greater Community

[king4quarter]

To all the people on Pl

Members here including hobiests would agree that this is a community.The only problem is that there are those who are actually members of this community and non-members because not everyone can afford the membership.
A vote to apply a donate button is forwarded as a move to make the hobiest a member and not just a "guest" to the forums.

This is just a backbone for an open discussion between members and non-members.This idea is not actually about the membership at all but to help someone else in a tough time for longer than just a season.I believe that one can use this opportunity by using the tools that are at hand as a means of generating an income just as much as those who are willing to give back to this forum or its community by being apart of it as much as everyone else.Like I said this is only a good suggestion and just like everyone else sell things to make money,perhaps Admin will add a donate button for a hobiest membership.Give someone an apple and he will eat for a day,give them the means to farm and he'll eat for a lifetime.As we all support each others products so shall we support a product of knowledge and priceless friends we have made.

Respect to Admin for your bravery and humbleness for carrying this burden for so long,I think its time everyone in this forum should help support your 'business' and continue to support it in the future.

Respect to everyone on this forum.

G

[sugeek]

To all the people on Pl

A vote to apply a donate button is forwarded as a move to make the hobiest a member and not just a "guest" to the forums.

Guest == unregistered user or a ghost
Registered User == ME
Bold Name == Registered User + $10

If you don't have regular money each month to be a Bold Named member: donate@photonlexicon.com via paypal... I have done so in the past, it works, no button needed.

-Adam

[king4quarter]

People go on about this community yet there is a very clear division.

I have seen that email address now 100 times but its not the point,as the guest and not member was so kindly shown today when he tried to do something for someone in his own way by entering a raffle to show support.I dont need another blue laser I have 3 of my own and I know I would never have won it cuz I never won anything in my dam life so I dont care even about that its the manner here things are spun.

People brag so much everywere in life about having helped others then expect recognition or that someone owes you for what they have done(this is wrong),but if your supposed loyal friends cannot step up to the plate when you are down and out then they are not worth the dust under your feet.I never mention this with my lips to people I have met let alone not met,myself and my friends have put food in peoples stomachs who dont even have roofs over there heads or even shoes on there feet,helped in car smash ups and old ladies carry cakes in 35deg heat.Africa teaches a person poverty and charity alike.

I read Specs post before I read about the raffle.Slap in the face at the raffle post just irritated me to the core and then restricting the amount of tickets hence limiting the total amount you could donate makes me think its more about the laser and the winning odds,I MEAN SERIOUSLY!
Im not going to make this any more a spectacle than I was made a fool of today.
Spec my sincere apologies and weather I donate or not,it is going to be between you me and God,I just also wanted to suggest perhaps a hobiest membership as a tool for encouraging a donation to the forums on a more regular occasion.

Sugeek you are such a nice person to talk to on the IRC apart from Spec and thanks for being the only one to reply this thread over the part few hours while everyone else bids for there laser.

Dang it takes me ages to type this on a mobile phone.

[king4quarter]

By the way when everyone had claimed to give up on djallen I saw actual progress and him asking questions about certain sections of his varience.
Steve and a few others still offered there help.Separate the men from the boys.Save 1 eye save them all.

This is all I have left to say

[masterpj]

King4quarter.
I do agree with you, but this is PL and not some battle.
In other words:

1 raffle
1 auction and not multiple ones.

no limit... but don't start making a topic about the greater community.
It's not for choosing sides or shoving people appart.

PL is ONE community and It should stay like that.
Not ripping it appart by shoving people to the side.

The winning should not be set to a priority, it's a nice feature to it though.
The only thing the auction should have is more tickets to be able to being bought by one person. that's it

[badger1666]

i see no division here we are all equal on here
the only time you will see any of that is when you get a group of know it all's
behaving like twats and disrespecting others,
no matter what forum or even towns or citys you will get this.
its not a perfect world never will be, its a free world .those that deserve respect get it .

its just not possible to please everyone all the time fact of life.
just please those that you can

[dnar]

No need for an agreed raffle, just donate or subscribe NOW. All systems for support are already in place, our operators are standing by. Please support PL the most unique and helpful professional, advertising free laser forum on the known interwebs (tm).

[lasersbee]

To all the people on Pl

Members here including hobiests would agree that this is a community.The only problem is that there are those who are actually members of this community and non-members because not everyone can afford the membership.
A vote to apply a donate button is forwarded as a move to make the hobiest a member and not just a "guest" to the forums.

This is just a backbone for an open discussion between members and non-members.This idea is not actually about the membership at all but to help someone else in a tough time for longer than just a season.I believe that one can use this opportunity by using the tools that are at hand as a means of generating an income just as much as those who are willing to give back to this forum or its community by being apart of it as much as everyone else.Like I said this is only a good suggestion and just like everyone else sell things to make money,perhaps Admin will add a donate button for a hobiest membership.Give someone an apple and he will eat for a day,give them the means to farm and he'll eat for a lifetime.As we all support each others products so shall we support a product of knowledge and priceless friends we have made.

Respect to Admin for your bravery and humbleness for carrying this burden for so long,I think its time everyone in this forum should help support your 'business' and continue to support it in the future.

Respect to everyone on this forum.

G

I believe you are confusing what a member of this PL community is...

A member is ANYONE that is registered on this forum...
That includes non posting registered members... Posting members
donating members... non-donating members... subscribed members
and non subscribed members... professional members or hobbyist
members...


A non member or guest is a person only lurking and not registered
that can not post on the forum...

As far as I'm concerned... ALL registered members are equal...


Jerry

[mophead]

A non member or guest is a person only lurking and not registered
that can not post on the forum...

As far as I'm concerned... ALL registered members are equal...

That's how I see it. We're all just members. It does not matter if your name is in blue, it does not give you some special entry to the "Secret Club".

The only people that are "outsiders" are the ones that read and do not contribute(post); ie--guests.

We are all equal members of PL.

[king4quarter]

With that being said this is how I would of thought it would or should be but that was not the message I got today and If you read back over it you will see it also.

Does it matter?Not any more I just wish people would think before just answering a post in such manner.

Enjoy your day gentlemen.

[king4quarter]

Thank you also for all of your input on this matter,this does help.

[dsli_jon]

Thank you also for all of your input on this matter,this does help.

Ah, I read the 'auction' thread before this one, or I would had 'said' this here, http://www.photonlexicon.com/forums/...685#post176685 vs there... Like Jerry said -
we are re all 'equal', man... everybody does what they can do, and that's cool...

peace...
j

[dnar]

LOL, fund raising by committee. Didn't Python do a similar sketch?

YES, we are all equal. Some are more equal than the rest however...

[Jem]

Well, not exactly fund raising but you get the idea...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55fqjw2J1vI

[dnar]

A committee is a dark alley were good ideas are led down and slowly strangled to death.

[king4quarter]

I understand.
My outcry of this fashion hopefully will teach a lesson between the lines because I don't think this is going to be the first of its kind thread.Hopefully people might just do it in more of a dignified way so that everyone can just hold there heads up high in future.I'm sure you know what I mean.

I don't mind taking the heat of the matter on myself for the greater good of the community and it won't be the first time i do something like this in my life. I hope the lesson is learnt here now so we don't have to go through this again and YES I Respect everyone and there deeds equally.
Just one more thing I'd like to add because it is not the first time I have read or encounted things like this.If you do something for someone out of a good heart people must forget about it and Karma will do the rest.Nobody owes anyone anything but in saying that if you have helped out mates with whatever and they don't do the same for you,this hurts like a bitch because of the let down and its almost like a betrayal of loyalty.(They should of stepped up to the plate when it counted)I understand this and its not cool.But to those who read this look at Karma now!!!She is kind to those who are true!!

Giving is like forgiving....you must always forget afterwards and the greater blessing will have its place in everyones life afterwards.Everyone will stand in there lot when the time comes and most people come out having become stronger from the things that never killed them.^^^^This is powerful advice and will both humble and build anyone who lives by it.

Peace,love,unity,respect.

[buffo]

there are those who are actually members of this community and non-members because not everyone can afford the membership.

Since I am guilty of using the "membership" term in my SELEM posts quite frequently, please allow me to clarify exactly what I mean when I say "membership".

In my mind (and I expect, in the minds of the vast majority of the people here on PL), you are a "member" when you have signed up to the website. That is, you have a user ID and a password. That means your name is listed in the member list, and people can send you private messages. It also means you have the ability to post.

By that definition, everyone that has ever posted on this forum is a member. Likewise, some of the lurkers that have at least taken the time to register with PL are also members, even if they have never posted.

The only "guests" we have here are people who have never registered with the site. And those people are not allowed to post messages. All they can do is read what other members have written.

Now, there may be some confusion, because I frequently say that SELEM is open to PL members and their guests. What I mean by that is that in order to attend, you either need to be signed up with the site, or you need to attend with someone who is. This is more of a liability issue than anything else. If you're not registered with PL, it's likely that you are unfamiliar with lasers, and thus I think it's prudent to have someone with you that can help you look out for your own safety.

The important point is that "membership" has nothing to do with whether you donate money to help support the forums or not. We are all members.

This is just a backbone for an open discussion between members and non-members.

Well, the problem is that a "non-member" is by definition someone who has not registered with the site. So they can't participate in the discussion because they can't post.

I think part of the problem is that you have some confusion surrounding the "subscription" service, and what it actually does. A "subscriber" is simply someone who has agreed to pay $10 per month (or more) each month to help support the forums. This monthly charge doesn't give you any special privileges; it just adds a blue highlight to your user name when you post.

Spec set this up to make it easy for people to donate on a monthly basis. Previously, the only way people could donate money was by clicking the "donate" link and going through the PayPal checkout process. With that system, people typically donated larger amounts (say, $50 at a crack), but they also donated less frequently (maybe only once or twice a year). This made for a feast-or-famine problem for Spec, and it was a pain for members to go through the PayPal checkout process each time.

Spec's idea was to roll out a convenient subscription service to allow people to set up a monthly contribution. That would make it easy for the users, since the process is completely automated (it will continue until you tell it to stop, so you don't have to go through the checkout procedure each month), and it would also help Spec's cash flow. And yes, initially he had planned to add "special features" that would be unique to subscribers, but people decided that they didn't need them. We wanted to donate just because it was the right thing to do, not because we wanted special treatment.

Spec came up with the idea of changing the user name to a bold blue font for subscribers all on his own, and that is the one feature that has remained. Beyond that, a subscriber has no additional privileges.

So there really isn't any difference between a subscriber and a non-subscriber. We're all members, and we're all equal. The only "non-members" are guests that have never signed up with the site, and they can't post until they do sign up. (Signing up is of course free.)

Adam

[daedal]

If you really want the bold name and the 'paid subscriber' benefits, you can do it on a non-recurring basis. It'll be a $10 donation to PL and it wouldn't renew unless you choose to do so... Also, since this is done via PayPal, you get reminds well in advance if you want to cancel. Also, it's not automatically recurring unless you select that option yourself IIRC.

Does that make sense?

--DDL

[king4quarter]

Thanks for the input guys.Now the Awareness has also been raised and hopefully those who can do it will now do it.

[dnar]

I understand.
My outcry of this fashion hopefully will teach a lesson between the lines because I don't think this is going to be the first of its kind thread.Hopefully people might just do it in more of a dignified way so that everyone can just hold there heads up high in future.I'm sure you know what I mean.

I don't mind taking the heat of the matter on myself for the greater good of the community and it won't be the first time i do something like this in my life. I hope the lesson is learnt here now so we don't have to go through this again and YES I Respect everyone and there deeds equally.
Just one more thing I'd like to add because it is not the first time I have read or encounted things like this.If you do something for someone out of a good heart people must forget about it and Karma will do the rest.Nobody owes anyone anything but in saying that if you have helped out mates with whatever and they don't do the same for you,this hurts like a bitch because of the let down and its almost like a betrayal of loyalty.(They should of stepped up to the plate when it counted)I understand this and its not cool.But to those who read this look at Karma now!!!She is kind to those who are true!!

Giving is like forgiving....you must always forget afterwards and the greater blessing will have its place in everyones life afterwards.Everyone will stand in there lot when the time comes and most people come out having become stronger from the things that never killed them.^^^^This is powerful advice and will both humble and build anyone who lives by it.

Peace,love,unity,respect.

I agree.

It is far far better to give, than to receive.

[king4quarter]

hey guys what do you think of the latest video I made??
I just had the chance now to upload it ))))
Enjoy

[king4quarter]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fy_demI7syE

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