Pangolin Beyond Info Thread

[masterpj]

Since they want to support both, there is still things to be able to be improved with lc-max.
LC-flash has indeed not updated, but that doesn't mean it still can.
It's not broken. Seen the ASDF movie laser show? well that was lc-flash alright.
Just because something doesn't work as you want it to doesn't mean it's broken flecom, be a bit fair here ok ?

[flecom]

Since they want to support both, there is still things to be able to be improved with lc-max.
LC-flash has indeed not updated, but that doesn't mean it still can.
It's not broken. Seen the ASDF movie laser show? well that was lc-flash alright.
Just because something doesn't work as you want it to doesn't mean it's broken flecom, be a bit fair here ok ?

something that can only work reliably with Flash 3 files is broken

we have had

Flash 4
Flash 5
Flash MX
Flash MX 2004
Flash 8
Flash CS3
Flash CS4
Flash CS5

since then

[masterpj]

flecom it works with the newer flashes too.
There are 2 things that can prevent lc-flash from working.
- Actionscript
- Menu's at the beginning of the animations

If you are interested in fixing this: look at my guide on the pangolin forum.
There's a PDF explaining you how to solve this problem.
It involves 1 time decompiling a flash and then removing 2 of the first frames and thats it

It's not broken but requires you to change the flash from time to time.
If you really want something to work and it doesn't email the flash to me and Ill fix it up for you ok?

[flecom]

heres one right here

http://www.photonlexicon.com/forums/...?highlight=fla

no action scripts, no menu's

what say ye?

[masterpj]

This is a fault the creator made.
Here's the fix:
save your FLA to Flash MX 2004 and then back to Flash 8 – this will clear all enhanced stroke information
The enchanced stroke information is not an global supported thing anyway. In fact it makes no sense XD
I can understand why LC-flash didn't support this.
To not make this happen the next time. please do not set your publish settings to flash 8 but to 7 or 6 before drawing a stroke.
It's because flash thinks it's funny to make an enchanced stroke of it.

Did this provide a clear answer for you?

Flash has mostly changed with its versions and uses of actionscripts, the rest has been kept the same so animations you make in the latest flash (CS5) Which i happen to have work like a charm

[flecom]

all of the Flash CS versions will default to that

so any flash content you find will be useless, and any you make you have to jump through hoops to make work...

so ok, maybe its not broken, but just really outdated/abandoned

so to say its still going to be supported is kind of insane considering they are already like 6 versions behind... and it has a pretty limited market as is... just like LC-Max... how many copies do you think they really sold of either?

[masterpj]

I have no idea about the sale's flecom it's not what is my bussiness.
LC-flash is outdated yes, but remember pangolin likely sets their priorities and shifts to a next one from time to time, probly lc-flash will get an update. you'll never know really.
lc-flash is version behind i agree. but it actually works with the new flashes too.
If you want to use content you find: decompile it first.
If it has a menu: remove the first frames *which are for the menu* it will work on most cases after you do that. I myself tinkered to improve lc-flashes compatibility and decompiling and the republishing was the best solution i figured.

To decompile a flash you need a program like sothink swf decompiler.
If you need more assistance ask for my help by email or by PM ok?
I feel a bit like i'm spamming this thread.
Also I can understand some peoples get a flood of emails from our thread messaged. XD

[flecom]

pretty sure PL's email notifications have been broken for a long time, I have not gotten a PM email in years...

anyway why would they update LC-Flash (or ANY of the LC series) if LD2000 is end of life?

[flecom]

I really *really* doubt pangolin is going to be actively supporting 2 products... with beyond everything is now one platform QS2/Beyond FB3/QM2k

when I asked bill about LivePRO updates I was told it would not be getting any more updates... and I have a feeling the same is going to go for LD2000... its all EOL

and I really don't think thats a bad thing... they are old, buggy, and pretty outdated interfaces etc... Beyond is a step in the right direction, but I really believe they missed the point in the pricing

[masterpj]

The reason why LivePro is getting no more updates is because the code got messy actually.
It sounds kind of stupid, but yeah.. that's the reason :P

[flecom]

Imagine if microsoft stopped developing a program because their "code got messy"

[masterpj]

lol I really can't comment on it :P but lets keep the discussion to BEYOND kay?

[flecom]

heres my main issues...

Upgrade options LD2000:

LD2000 Intro Upgrade Options:
Intro to BEYOND Essentials: $745

Upgrade options FB3-QS:

QS to BEYOND Essentials: $895

Why when I paid $1000 more for my QM2k do I only save $100?

Mind you the FB3 is a small, portable USB device (which soon is getting a .NET interface that will support 4x FB3's in one interface)

my QM required an extra $695 .NET interface to make it portable-ish (still need line voltage)

so...

QM+.NET = $2190 + upgrade to beyond = $2395 for portable beyond with a QM
FB3 = $500 + upgrade to beyond = $1395

see my problem?

I own both a FB3 and a QM2k and I would be more inclined to upgrade the FB3 than the QM at that point... which is a problem because the QM was a lot more $$$ that went Pangolin's way

also we need to await a real features list, but what is $895 buying you over QS2? a slightly better timeline editor? I guess we will find out... but I predict it really wont be worth the money to upgrade from QS2 to Beyond unless they cripple QS2 by removing features (which would not surprise me)

[taggalucci]

I'm an objective guy and think a lot of what Pangolin's done.

I have to 100% agree with your points though Flecom (perhaps not your tone)! Owning both QM and FB3 devices, I like the possibility of being able to drive both in one session, but that's it for me. So the value proposition's just not there for me right now (or it's not yet clear what it is).

[flecom]

hrmm, maybe my tone is coming across to harsh... I am a long time pangolin user (not as long as a lot of other people here) but I do like Pangolin and their products, they just make some really bone-headed decisions sometimes (see the giant rant about additional QM cards last year - which bill promised would be addressed in the future - so far that has not really materialized) and that frustrates me... because they are crippling a great product and/or their customers by making (IMHO) stupid decisions

I am really getting to the point of saying f-it and looking for another software package... when I bought my QM you either had a QM or you went home... now there is a LOT of competition that does a lot (hell LSX for example does things LD2k cant do and beyond is only now introducing)

[Lasermad]

hrmm, maybe my tone is coming across to harsh...

Byeeeeeeee

Good news is your pangolin kit has resale value , hell i have seen the stuff sell for more than buying direct from pangolin.


Helloooooooooooo

Wow your back already , you had forgotten about the free lifetime upgrades , and the simply fact your lasers operate
brighter and have mopre stabilty the second you plug pangolin , its OK all is forgiven , your a laserist , we still love ya



paul

[gabrielefx]

Does anyone know if Beyond is already available?

another question is: what's the difference between the pci board and the breakout box? Why the pci board has all those integrated circuits?

I would like to know if is possible to drive a laser projector over wi-fi. Why ilda use the old parallel printer cable? Today every electronic unit is driven by ethernet tcp-ip protocol.

[flecom]

you had forgotten about the free lifetime upgrades

really that means I get beyond for free?? oh wait...

[White-Light]

really that means I get beyond for free?? oh wait...

Free lifetime upgrades to existing software. Beyond is a brand new programme as you well know.

Also, kind of hard to see you problem with the discounts:

LD 2000 Pricing: http://www.lasershowequipment.net/la...wsoftware.html

LD 2000 Intro: $1,495

LD 2000 Basic: $2,495

LD 2000 Pro: $4,995


On like for like upgrades, Pangolin are offering you:

Beyond Essentials for $745 - That's $1,495 retail - $745 trade up = $750 Discount or 50% Discount

Beyond Advanced for $1,245 - That's $2,495 retail - $1,245 trade up = $1,250 Discount or 50% Discount

Beyond Ultimate for $2,495- That's $4,995 retail - $2,450 trade up = $2,545 Discount or 51% Discount


Name me any other software company that after 10 years is prepared to offer you 50% of the cost of your software back. I doubt you'll find one willing to do it after 1 year.

[-bart-]

Name me any other software company that after 10 years is prepared to offer you 50% of the cost of your software back. I doubt you'll find one willing to do it after 1 year.

Dear mr Baur, Medialas,
I currently use your laserpainter software with corresponding hardware, could I please have 50% discount on your lastest mamba black release ?

/ontopic

I would really like to see this page only for BEYOND.

[flecom]

Free lifetime upgrades to existing software. Beyond is a brand new programme as you well know.

yep... they scrapped LD2000 so now the "lifetime" is over...

On like for like upgrades, Pangolin are offering you:

right... which is $100 less than FB3/QS users... so why if I bought a $1500 pangolin interface do I only pay $100 less than someone who bought a $500 pangolin interface?

[allthatwhichis]

yep... they scrapped LD2000 so now the "lifetime" is over...



right... which is $100 less than FB3/QS users... so why if I bought a $1500 pangolin interface do I only pay $100 less than someone who bought a $500 pangolin interface?

Thank you Mr. Sunshine...



You're going to make me create one of these with the first smiley holding a QM2000...


Or maybe this one with a QM32 (for length)...

[White-Light]

right... which is $100 less than FB3/QS users... so why if I bought a $1500 pangolin interface do I only pay $100 less than someone who bought a $500 pangolin interface?

At 50% discount I'm surprised your complaining.

So far as FB3 owners are concerned, when you consider that an LD2000 trade in could be 10+ years old whereas the Fb3 has only been out a year, I still don't think you've been hard done by. You've had many years usage for you 50% reduction even if you didn't buy it the full 10 years ago. FB3 owners are making an almost new trade up.

At the end of the day if 50% discount isn't enough, go buy Mamba or Phoenix or Fiesta and see what discount you're offered, $0. The see what it costs to update every year or two. I'm sure after a few years $800 or so upgrade for Pangolin will seem cheap!

[flecom]

So far as FB3 owners are concerned, when you consider that an LD2000 trade in could be 10+ years old whereas the Fb3 has only been out a year, I still don't think you've been hard done by. You've had many years usage for you 50% reduction even if you didn't buy it the full 10 years ago. FB3 owners are making an almost new trade up.

it could also be a year old? also the QM2k was more expensive when it was originally released IIRC

[White-Light]

Well I think we're going to have to agree to disagree on this one.

I think 50% is fair, obviously you do not.