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    Default GB Feeler for the Solarfire MCU controlled TEC/LD drivers

    Just a heads up on the upcoming TEC/LD-drivers.

    It was a long road from a TEC-controller for a beer-keg cooler to these.

    Anyone who may be interested, state your interest here. Prices will be posted as soon as the manufacture replies to my price quote request. Of course pricing will greatly depend on demand. I’m not out to get rich here I’m just looking to maybe break even on my development costs and a little something for admin. I don’t know about you all, but I’ve spent a lot of time searching for affordable H-Bridge TEC drivers which could only do a fraction of what these here have to offer. So what do you do when you can't find anything? Build your own. I tried to keep this design as versatile as possible and they perfectly meet up to my needs. I’m always open to suggestions and constructive criticism to make these drivers the best they can be in their class.

    For those which may be scared off by the term PID, read this, it will explain and enlighten in a down to earth way. http://igor.chudov.com/manuals/Servo...hout-a-PhD.pdf

    A couple of words of wisdom gathered during the development process of these TEC drivers. Even the best drivers in the world will only be as good as their implementation. Mainly meaning, the best placement of the thermal source to be regulated, the placement of the thermal sensor and the placement of the TEC. These three components should be placed as close to one another as possible and equally distanced to one another in order to keep response time and possible thermal oscillation to a minimum. If possible aluminum or copper should be used for the diode mount material; these materials have a low thermal resistance and therefore allow a relative fast extraction/insertion of heat. Keep the mass of the diode mount to a minimum, this keeps the latency of the thermal control loop low and also allows the use of smaller TECs with less thermal energy needed to regulate the thermal loop. Turn your diode so the die carrier will be closest to the TEC. Against what all others may say or do, don’t pump the heat being generated by the TEC into any optic carrying components like the baseplate of your Laser module or Projector. In the short or long run you’re just asking for alignment issues (expanding, contracting, expanding, contracting it's just not good). Put the TEC on top of the diode mount cooling side down with a heat sink on top of the TEC and for god’s sake transport heat away from the rest of the system instead of into it!

    Please get the technical details out of the preliminary users guide in the attachment, there are just too many details to post here. It’s just a draft so far, so give me a break.

    Offered will be:
    1.) Dual channel TEC driver with dual channel fan control and low side LD driver. Board size (96mm x 55mm)
    2.) Single channel TEC driver with single channel fan control and low side LD driver. Board size (72mm x 55mm)
    3.) Single channel TEC driver. Board size (58mm x 55mm)
    4.) Single channel low side LD driver. Board size 31.5mm x 30mm)
    5.) 3.3V DPSS version > 20A Dual channel TEC driver with dual channel fan control and low side LD driver. Board size (96mm x 55mm)

    Here’s a quick rundown of the specs.

    TEC-Driver specs:

    PIC18F45K22 (PIC18F46K22) Processor @ 64MHz,
    RS232 Interface to GUI,
    Single/dual channel PID controlled TEC/LD-Driver,
    Independent PSU supply connections for each TEC channel, 12VDC/3500mA + up to 1500mA
    for the fan channel @ 12VDC.
    Single/dual PID controlled full H-Bridge(s) with 12VDC/±3000mA @ 250kHz with no more than 200mV ripple on the output of each bridge @ 50% duty cycle.
    User definable TEC current limiting,
    Temperature range 30.0°C – 0.0°C temperature stability of up to ±0.05°C depending on build!
    Large temperature transition settling time (full range 30.0°C to 0.0°C and 0.0°C to 30.0°C) 20-40 seconds, depending on build!
    All parameters set via user GUI.

    LD-Driver specs:

    Type: Low side (high side version is coming)
    Supply: 6-24VDC/max5A (with standard 3W current-sense resistor), up to 15A with an external sense-resistor 10-25W. FET can dissipate 45W.
    Ultra linear up to 300+kHz on 1-20 Ohm loads.

    Supply DPSS version: 6-12VDC/max200mA and 3.3VDC max 30A.
    Linear up to 100+kHz on a 0.12Ohm load.

    Analog/TTL modulation (Analog is single ended)
    LD-Output inhibit via user definable Temperature tolerance and settling time parameters.

    GUIs:

    Main, Presets, Error-management and Data-logging
    Individual activation/deactivation of the TEC-Driver channels A/B
    Individual activation/deactivation of the Fan-Driver channels A/B
    Monitoring of Temperature, TEC current, heating/cooling, H-Bridge temperature flags, TEC current limiting, Laser diode current, Laser diode power via Laser Bee II (Jerry hope you don’t mind) and PWM duty cycle.

    User adjustable parameters:

    All parameters except LD-Current and bias (next version LD-current and bias will be controlled via digital pots) are set via the Main GUI. Temperature, TEC Current limit, Invert heating/cooling, PID gains and windup limiting, Temperatures for fan on/off (next version PWM controlled), temperature tolerance for LD-Inhibit, temperature settling time for LD-Inhibit.

    All user adjustable parameters can be saved as presets to the integrated SQL database. No limit to the number of presets which can be saved.
    Service mode for manual control of output settings.
    Error-management with error-text output. Errors are stored to EEPROM memory until acknowledged and cleared. Monitored are things like open circuit and short circuit of the thermistors, calibration fail, Bridge temperature flags. Some errors will force shutdown like thermistor failure or exceeding of the user defined settling time.
    Individually user selectable data logging of all variables. Logged data can be saved to the integrated SQL database with export to Excel possibility. Adjustable sample rate from 10/s up to 5/h. Data accumulation can be monitored real-time on the integrated dynamic chart or in the Excel chart if opened before log begin.
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    Last edited by Solarfire; 10-28-2011 at 13:13. Reason: Added 3.3V DPSS version

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    Depending on price i am interested in a Single tec Highside and Lowside driver.

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    Im in for two dual tec + ld drivers.

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    Im interested in the dual tec with LD driver if it can replace any green chinese dpss driver up till 3 watt.

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    Looks nice!
    If the price isn't too high; I'd be after one, hopefully two, Dual channel TEC driver with dual channel fan control and low side LD driver.

    Cheers,
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    Quote Originally Posted by edison View Post
    Im interested in the dual tec with LD driver if it can replace any green chinese dpss driver up till 3 watt.
    Do you know what current you need? For that power range of 3 W a 3.3V powersupply would be more adequate to keep the heat down. The current design was only checked down to 6V(5,1V)I have to check the current design if this would be doable, maybe with a slight mod to the FET drive stage.
    Last edited by Solarfire; 10-22-2011 at 11:28.

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    I am also interested,ofcourse if the price is friendly lol

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    I'd like at least one dually for a greeny.
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    depending on price

    1xDual channel TEC driver with dual channel fan control and low side LD driver.
    2xSingle channel TEC driver with single channel fan control and low side LD driver.
    "its called character briggs..."

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    What temperature-sensor(s) does the board accept ?
    Also interested in a 3,3V dpss version.

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    Quote Originally Posted by -bart- View Post
    What temperature-sensor(s) does the board accept ?
    Also interested in a 3,3V dpss version.
    I used EPCOS B57861S104F40 1% 100k miniature (2.41mmø) thermistors which will be included with the boards. They are fast due to low mass, very suited for the task at hand . During testing I had two side by side and the deviation between the 2 was 2 digits behind the comma.

    What power range would you need as a 3.3V version?

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    I just did some quick tests (simulations) to see what I could get out of the current LD-driver build, without doing a major redesign, to run @ 3.3V. It actually looks much better than I expected. With minimal changes of the current circuit, 20A on a 0.12Ohm load is easily possible this is approximately >= 15W of 808nm. A bigger FET a smaller shunt resistor and a couple of different R values here and there and I'ts good too go. The modulation linearity is good up to 100kHz. It would be an either or situation, meaning if you get this version it’s only good for running a DPSS the standard version will do all the rest. The problem is getting a linear response over an equally broad load range of currently 1 – 20Ohms.

    If there’s further interest for such a driver, just state it here and I’ll see what can be done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Solarfire View Post
    If there’s further interest for such a driver, just state it here and I’ll see what can be done.
    well frank, if an appropriate set of crystals could be found, maybe some of us could be tempted into building a dpss green, or am i the only one to think this way?

    anybody has any info to share maybe?
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    Quote Originally Posted by LaNeK779 View Post
    well frank, if an appropriate set of crystals could be found, maybe some of us could be tempted into building a dpss green, or am i the only one to think this way?

    anybody has any info to share maybe?
    Well I for one have wanted to build a DPSS for quite some time now; I also did a lot of studying up on DPSS builds, but at the moment I can’t even get the shit finished that’s on my workbench now.

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    I have two halfnote dpss lasers with ludicrously complicated divers.
    I have been looking for an affordable replacement (that can be modulated).
    Needed current would be 20-25 amps.
    Problem is, I am tied to the termistors already used in the head.

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    Quote Originally Posted by -bart- View Post
    I have two halfnote dpss lasers with ludicrously complicated divers.
    I have been looking for an affordable replacement (that can be modulated).
    Needed current would be 20-25 amps.
    Problem is, I am tied to the termistors already used in the head.
    You got any idea what termistor values are in there?

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    Hi,

    "depending on the price" I may be interested in one

    1.) Dual channel TEC driver with dual channel fan control and low side LD driver.

    for a DPSS project.

    Thanks,
    W.

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    Similar boat with a RGB lasersystems green - I only need 5/6A diode drive so OK there but plan to use existing thermistors in head - will measure and tweak design / calibration if needed.

    Quote Originally Posted by -bart- View Post
    I have two halfnote dpss lasers with ludicrously complicated divers.
    I have been looking for an affordable replacement (that can be modulated).
    Needed current would be 20-25 amps.
    Problem is, I am tied to the termistors already used in the head.

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    would be also intrested in some

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    Frank,
    Please could you let me know the board dimensions for the Dual TEC, Single diode driver model?

    Cheers,
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    Quote Originally Posted by danielbriggs View Post
    Frank,
    Please could you let me know the board dimensions for the Dual TEC, Single diode driver model?

    Cheers,
    Dan
    The board size is 96mm x 55mm

    Cheers

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    I would be in for a couple of Single channel TEC driver. Board size (58mm x 55mm)

    I've watched this project from the start and I know how much
    work you and Wayne have put into this...
    So... I absolutely DO NOT mind for this project..


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    Added 3.3V DPSS version as an option in the main post. Final data will be posted after the test build.

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    Depending on price a couple single channel TEC boards

    Any availability update?
    leading in trailing technology

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    Iam Interested in 2 x single TEC controllers. What is the price for one of it ?

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