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    I think you just have to push it as far as you can budget wise.

    I mention Beyond above but as yet in truth there are no system recommendations available for version 2.0 as no-one has a finished version! I'm sure Pango will make it as light as possible or enable extra heavy features to be turned on / off if necessary. Its best to be prepared though so everything runs smoothly.

    I still have a philosophy for PC's which everyone on here might not agree with, but its buy the most powerful one you can afford.

    Buying the cheap is always a false economy in my book. Businesses that buy pc's that just do the job, always end up with staff waiting around wasting time for systems to respond to their commands and that in turn slows productivity.

    Let me give you an example:

    2 friends of mine who are brothers both come to me for pc advice (a few months apart - I'm not in IT just a friend). Both have businesses trading mobile phones. These are desktops BTW but same applies to laptops.

    Brother 1 decides he doesn't want to spend a lot so against my advice buys a £499 desktop pc with low spec - nice largish flat screen but quite low spec. Brother 2 takes my advice and buys the most powerful pc he can afford - in fact spends more than I advised and spend £1200 on a cutting edge pc with the latest dual core, huge memory, graphics card etc.

    Brother 1's pc is ok at 1st but quickly slows. Within a year, booting takes well over a minute. Everything he does involves a wait of 10-20 secs. Not only frustrating but slowing his productivity as he's still waiting for one job to respond when he could be doing another. Within 18 months, he's waiting up to 5 minutes for thing such as Excel to respond and booting takes 3-4 minutes. He saves a lot of Excel data and has hundreds of emails a week. He buys another cheap pc. Same tale again. Ok at 1st, slows very quickly. To this day 6 years later, he's on his 2nd pc and still waiting for things to happen, albeit not as slowly as before.

    Brother 2 spends £1200 on his pc. Its lightening. Instead of him waiting for the pc, the pc is always waiting for him! 6 years later hes still on the same pc and although it has slowed a little over the years, its still booting in around 30 secs and even now its not holding him up in work. It still responds fast enough to out pace the speed at which he can input data or open programmes.

    Moral of the story here is Brother 1 has lot thousands in wasted time waiting for his pc and he's bought 2 pc's already. Brother 2 has wasted no time and has only bought the one.

    In my book, always buy the fastest you can afford. It future proofs you against future software, future updates that add more features and thus requirements and it gives you something that has longevity and guarantees fast working.

    In your case I'd concentrate on getting an all round pc that's as fast as you can afford and has separate graphics at a good level. Don't however chase great graphics at the expense of other areas. Whilst it might help with the preview function and with 3D ultimately the processor and memory and hard drive are far more important for the type of programmes you will be using. The fastest graphics are fine for gamers. They also eat the most money! For anything else, go mid range and concentrate on processor, HD and memory.

    On a laptop, the single biggest factor I believe for slow working is hard drive speed - get a 7200rpm HD. A 5,400 rpm will kill the performance and booting times.

    Get a dual core of reasonable speed i5 if possible, i3 if not. Get as much memory as possible ideally 6GB + but 4Gb at a push if budget restricts. Also personally, I'd get as large a screen as possible unless you're going to connect and external monitor as the larger the screen the easier it is to operate. Personally I'd rather carry a 2" wider bag than struggle to see what I'm doing on screen of have the programme 1/2 way off the screen.

    Just my 2 cents.
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    Yes I am the same, having just upgraded from a dual core to an i5. I did this only because I had the money available to give the machine a boost in cpu and ram. Now hitting 80 knots down runway 34 left in sydney airport in a 73x with the high end graphics addons for that airport runs smooth as silk. It helps I stuffed in a newish graphics card. I have the machine set up to use the onboard while web browsing, and going over to the GT570 when the machine needs tonnes of gpu grunt. I dont think I will outgrow this desktop unless MS brings out a flight sim with much heavier gpu/cpu requirements. I often have mac os X lion running in a VM, or windows running in a VM if I am booted off the other SSD with Lion on it.

    As for the laser shows, I am trying to find the hardware that will do the job without overkill. IF a $450 laptop will do it fine, but if I need to spend $700 so be it

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    If I was buying, looking at Dell Aus, if I was buying Dell of course, this is what I'd get:

    http://configure.ap.dell.com/dellsto...id=vostro-3750

    That said it isn't cheap -$1,079.20.

    Problem is on 17" screen, Dell only seem to do i7 now. Obviously you'd save if you could get i5 or i3.

    It does however have i7, 7200rpm HD, 4Gb memory, Geforce 525m Graphics Card.

    Always look around the web for discount codes. I managed to get another 10% off mine on top fo the deal by finding a discount code.

    It's probably overkill spec but would guarantee performance for some time to come with both QS and Beyond.

    Others may disagree and thinks its wasting money. Horses for courses, but as I said above, under performing is very expensive. Over performing is expensive up front but has longetivity.

    Maybe Lenovo might have a 17" i3 which you can spec up on HD, memory and graphics.
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    I think a general good rule of thumb when buying PC stuff is to buy one step back from the current top tier of hardware, or as close to that as you can afford. Then you don't risk early adopter syndrome (such as the messed up Sandy Bridge motherboards when they were first released) and you can shop for a relatively powerful system after prices have dropped and people have tested the hardware and left reviews. Alot of software won't immediately utilize the top tier of what's available either, and by the time the software has caught up, there's usually a new top tier in the cycle which has driven the prices down. You can never truly future proof a technology purchase, but you can generally find a good price/performance ratio with a bit of research.

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    i manage to run qs from my asus netbook 1000H which has simple intel graphics and atom cpu.

    only the small screen is a problem ;-) 10 inch

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    Dont worry, though you can be in problems when it comes to LC-max (3ds max) but other then that you should be fine. at worst when the pixel shader and vertex shader is too low (thus bad GPU) you can emulate it through cpu partually which takes away strain from the GPU but that isn't always the case.

    Can be emulated through 3Danalyser
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    QuickShow seems to be most bound by RAM in my experience. DDR3 over-production has resulted in ultra-cheap RAM prices; I have 8GB in my laptop, 16GB in desktop and 24GB in server, all at prices that would have been unthinkable maybe two years ago. 24GB RAM w/ lifetime warranty only ran me ~$200 from Newegg, after rebates.

    On a laptop, you can get 8GB (2x4GB) of DDR3, lifetime warranty for $36.99. Just take whatever stock amount Dell, Asus, etc. gives you and replace it with this stuff. Never pay the OEM for a RAM upgrade, unless you have too (e.g. the soldered-on RAM in the Macbook Air).

    Looks like in the mobile sector you have to go i7 to get a true-quad core. I don't think QuickShow benefits from HT very much, compared to something like MATLAB or an actual computationally intense workload. And I don't think QuickShow leverages the GPU whatsoever, so integrated video is fine (unless I missed Pangolin adding CUDA/OpenCL/DirectX/some kind of GPU acceleration).

    Definitely recommend the high-res screen like someone else mentioned though. 1280x800/1366x768 are murderous to use QS on in my opinion, I wouldn't use anything less than 1680x1050 @ 15" if I could. At least most of the 17" screens tend to be 1920x1080/1920x1200, but I like high-density 1920x1080/1200 15" screens.

    It used to be adding RAM to an older machine would be like a breath of fresh air. Dual-cores at the minimum are a must these days (the only reason I went to a 2600K from an E6600 was because of games like Battlefield 3). Now, adding RAM is nice, but the real kick-in-the-pants performance boost is a SSD, but that's another topic entirely. My MBP flies with a 120GB SSD now.

    e: I would use Windows 7 Home Premium as a minimum, there's no reason to run a decade-old OS like Windows XP. If you have some software that absolutely requires XP and Compatibility Mode won't do it for you, there's always virtualization.

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