Hey Spec, A Request

[mixedgas]

One of the other forums I read is for Naval Aviation types... Why? Its a better read then Tom Clancy ever was.

Under their avatars, if they have earned flight wings, they get the correct wing for their service.

I want a logo for professionalism under my avatar.

Simples, if you have a variance or the national equalvalent in your nation, you get a "laserburst". If you can document you have crewed on a legal paid show, you get a laserburst. If you worked as a laserist long ago and were working for a varianced company, you get a laserburst(retired). Citerion: That little 1V number on the paperwork or letterhead, or national equvalent, or stationary from a incorporated company, or a ILDA/Brewster Award, or equalvalent stagecraft / Engineering experince (lest we forget our lighting brethern) Note, variance/national equavalent need not be current.

If your country has no variance/permit, we'll work something out. We have two or three people here who are pre variance, you know you'll get it, too.

Since I forgot the lab/Holo guys, IF you got paid to work on a laser in a commercial environment, or its part of your masters/doctoral degree work, you get a burst. However, if its just 15 minutes in the lab in high school or Physics II, no.

PS, if you possess a successful FAA/CAA letter of no objection, we give you a "Platinum" burst! for patience.

Why its Elitism, Yes!. Pseudo Espirt de Corps, yes!

Why? I earned it! Get over it, with work, you can earn it too.

Might want to put up a tag for ELA (if it still exists) or ILDA membership, too.

Let the screaming by "junior" forum members begin.

BTDTGTS.

Sorry hobbyists, but I like the idea of the "Mark of Excellence". It will give you something to strive for.


Steve

[Bradfo69]

Interesting thought Steve. Although I will state that anyone who has spent nearly any time at all on this forum knows damn well that no logo under an avatar is necessary as a method of establishing your qualifications, professionalism, integrity, dedication, knowledge, helpfulness and a host of other praises. For the rest of us mere mortals though...as I said, an interesting thought. At least I'd have an ILDA wing and soon hopefully a variance wing.

[mixedgas]

Just one thing, a tiny mark, it need not expand into multiple, complex, groups of symbols

In fact, other then a small sticky some place, it should never be mentioned in a post.
A "I have a burst and you don't post!" WILL be taboo. It is just plain WRONG to do that.

No, there will be no private forum for ":veterans:" or ":burst:" members.

Steve

[mixedgas]

Interesting thought Steve. Although I will state that anyone who has spent nearly any time at all on this forum knows damn well that no logo under an avatar is necessary as a method of establishing your qualifications, professionalism, integrity, dedication, knowledge, helpfulness and a host of other praises. For the rest of us mere mortals though...as I said, an interesting thought. At least I'd have an ILDA wing and soon hopefully a variance wing.

"Applied for" gets you the "ONE FUNCTIONAL NERVE CELL LEFT" HIGHEST award of valour... LOL..

Steve

[sugeek]

Interesting thought Steve. Although I will state that anyone who has spent nearly any time at all on this forum knows damn well that no logo under an avatar is necessary as a method of establishing your qualifications, professionalism, integrity, dedication, knowledge, helpfulness and a host of other praises. For the rest of us mere mortals though...as I said, an interesting thought. At least I'd have an ILDA wing and soon hopefully a variance wing.

Don't forget your soon to be PLIOC when the sabre arrives.

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[Bradfo69]

"Applied for" gets you the "ONE FUNCTIONAL NERVE CELL LEFT" HIGHEST award of valour... LOL..

Steve

That IS one bit of mail I'll be excited to open!

[Bradfo69]

Don't forget your soon to be PLIOC when the sabre arrives.

We HAVE that "wing" symbol already.... it's the retardo smiley I believe! LOL

[Stoney3K]

I like the idea of having 'achievements' to encourage professionalism here on the forums.

But...

On the flip side, there will also be people who earned that 'professional' wing and will start to look down on newbies and people who are just learning the ropes. Ultimately, I predict there will be some kind of simple "Help!" question that can be solved by many of us through a lot of tinkering, and may not be so easy for a person just handling his first labbie, and a 'professional-wing-bearer' will chip into the thread and spoil a productive discussion by making a simple remark about doing your homework. Not necessarily with or without training wheels.

So even though I really support the notion of earning respect by showing professional conduct, it can be an excuse for some bearers of the achievement to patronize people. Obviously, this won't include the regulars who have been contributing and helping newbies since the forums started.

[soforene]

I want a gold star to show I'm speshul !! .........

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Must be that time of year again ......

[Solarfire]

Hmm.. Just because something has engineer on it doesn’t mean it has engineer in it. I know, I have to hold the hands of about a third of our engineers.

[norty303]

To what ends do we need these 'stars'?

[mixedgas]

Hmm.. Just because something has engineer on it doesn’t mean it has engineer in it. I know, I have to hold the hands of about a third of our engineers.

That is the quote of the year.

In fact that is getting engraved here. However, it is part of the engineering process, and actually is not a negative. It is the way it will be. Except for the ones who come from the good ENG schools who still have mandatory project labs and do not like simulations.

"He who says it cannot be done should not stop man/woman who is doing it!"

I know this is gross, but at the ends of gigs I had to get on my knees and blow the cooling water out of the hoses by mouth before coiling them. That just screams a above average level of "On the Job Training". It also led to the construction of a special, clean, short, hose. Low pressure air knocks the water out, compressor blasts just pass by it. Breath works, technology does not.

"Soforene likes This" is about to appear. Touche'

You have not lived until the roadies say, "We have to hang the bounce mirrors, union rules. " You then hand them a pair of safety glasses, and a radio. Then you tell them they need to wear them 100 feet up on scaff, move the mirror, and use the radio. You feel concerned for them because your exposing them to a risk they are not trained for. Your also worried they wont set the clamps right. You would rather climb and do it yourself, even though climbing ain't your day gig. You have to show them how to set the squelch on the radio.

That is typical for some one in the industry, and I'd just like them to have a little recognition.

I'm not saying I'm "speshul". I already know that I am. I have learning disabilities, I'm shy in person, and I'm ulgy on the outside. But I have a warm heart. Part of that heart says recognize people who have worked their way up.

Just a simple *--- little black warning beam symbol under the name. Nothing fancy, in fact make it almost invisible.

ILDA, and while I often disagree with "them", is good for business. It may appear* to be currently lame/stagnent as a professional organization, but it is all we have. It is worth recognizing those who bother to join.

* I know what Pat and Friends did last summer...


Steve

[dsli_jon]

Just because something has engineer on it doesn’t mean it has engineer in it. I know, I have to hold the hands of about a third of our engineers.

Bwuahahahahahahahahaaa! I vote this 'The Best PL Quote of 2012'... Lol, so-true.. I'll never-forget the day, whilst training a Laser Tech / Op on an install - who was also an EE, and earned at least 1.5x more than I ever-made - even when I was a salaried 'Senior Art Director' at an ad agency - I had to explain to him how to use his DMM!! I mean, I realize I'm an idiot, compared to many, yet I have to 'teach' this guy how to use his DMM?? I just could not get over that...

Permission to kipe your Quote / make a T-shirt, Sir? ..Yes, I'll 'send ya one' if I do... "Engineer" On-it, doesn't always mean Engineer IN-it.. LOVE-it!

j

[JohnYayas]

Was this forum created to suck the dicks of those with a variance?

[sbk]

Bwuahahahahahahahahaaa! I vote this 'The Best PL Quote of 2012'... Lol, so-true.. I'll never-forget the day, whilst training a Laser Tech / Op on an install - who was also an EE, and earned at least 1.5x more than I ever-made - even when I was a salaried 'Senior Art Director' at an ad agency - I had to explain to him how to use his DMM!! I mean, I realize I'm an idiot, compared to many, yet I have to 'teach' this guy how to use his DMM?? I just could not get over that...

Permission to kipe your Quote / make a T-shirt, Sir? ..Yes, I'll 'send ya one' if I do... "Engineer" On-it, doesn't always mean Engineer IN-it.. LOVE-it!

j

Haha, send me one copy of the T-shirt so I can wear it at my workplace too Numbers of electronics "engineers" freshly out of a so-called famous university and so proud, looking at others with disregard, but are simply not capable to do *something useful* with their hands when it comes to soldering, using a DMM, oscilloscope, building a real working circuit...

This being said, Steve's idea seems interesting. I'm a lot on National Instruments forums and there's some sort of rewards there and there. Mostly automatic rewarding according to the number of posts which doesn't always mean something (but certainly more at NI forums than here), but also a kudos system given by other users, etc...

[dsli_jon]

Was this forum created to suck the dicks of those with a variance?

Of course not, but it damn-sure wasn't created to smoke the pipes of those that don't have / need Vars / don't care / ridicule those that try to better their own-industry, either... Where's the fire here, Gary?

[JohnYayas]

Of course not, but it damn-sure wasn't created to smoke the pipes of those that don't have / need Vars / don't care / ridicule those that try to better their own-industry, either... Where's the fire here, Gary?

I didn't ask for a special picture to go under my name. So, your point is invalid.

[dsli_jon]

Whatever, Man.. Are there some prickish Pro's out there, that have elitest-attitudes toward 'hobbyists'? Of course, and.. they're not here, even attempting to-help others... Those that are-here, are, because of the passion for the craft / interest in helping, if-but a little / in a 'grassroots' sort-of way.. If those that make the time / go out of their-way to do-such, and / or others that are doing it the 'right-way' (.."right-way", meaning: for a commercial / professional entity / biz) - / at-least, setting a good-example of responsibility, even privately - where's the 'sin', in being called-out for that?

[JohnYayas]

Whatever, Man.. Are there some prickish Pro's out there, that have elitest-attitudes toward 'hobbyists'? Of course, and.. they're not here, even attempting to-help others... Those that are-here, are, because of the passion for the craft / interest in helping, if-but a little / in a 'grassroots' sort-of way.. If those that make the time / go out of their-way to do-such, and / or others that are doing it the 'right-way' (.."right-way", meaning: for a commercial / professional entity / biz) - / at-least, setting a good-example of responsibility, even privately - where's the 'sin', in being called-out for that?

The sin is that you guys ain't all that. Frankly, I have gotten a lot more out of the DIY folks on here because they aren't afraid to share some knowledge and new ideas. If you guys really contributed as much as you think you contibute I might be singing a different tune. But, I'd just assume give guys like Buffo special recognition if there is any and it has nothing to do with putting on laser shows. It has to do with helping people here.

[dsli_jon]

..Ya know, I really need to get to work on other things, but..

The sin is that you guys ain't all that.

All what? Helpful?? I'll put the sum-total of 'helpfulness from the Pros of PL' up-against the rest of the entire-industry, *any day*... I don't think you've been paying close-enough attention, here... Have you missed some of the help / info that some of the laser professionals / Co's of PL: ie: Mark (Insanity), Rob (Stanwax), dave (dave of LVP) Marc (gottaluv..) Andy (andycon / AC) Steve (mixedgas) Andrew (drlava) ..and a whole-host of others, have contributed, here, in the past year??? Lens / diodes / drivers / software / schems / circuit-diagrams / programming tips / shows / indi-animations...
Oh yeah, and http://www.photonlexicon.com/wiki/in...itle=Main_Page and http://www.photonlexicon.com/forums/...chmentid=13204 etc, etc.. I could go on, but...

...the DIY folks..

http://hacylon.case.edu/ebay/laser_diode/FlexModP3.php / http://www.greenlaser.co.uk/ / http://luminavp.com.au/sales.html / http://www.laser-man.co.uk/
..et al...Where the heck do you think these 'Co's' came-from, man???

..and I can tell ya - (..in-case you were 'poking' at us / me, specifically...) not a single full-system, here, just 'came in a box from the PROC'...100% hand-crafted, 'DIY'-designed systems-integration, at the furthest-out.. ...and, our-stuff is the *least* of the outstanding examples, in this forum.. ie: Do I need to post Pat B's "DIY's'? That's why most of the 'PL-Pros' are here, cause they *do* 'DIY', or at least, came from that foundation...

So.. your point is invalid.

..they aren't afraid to share some knowledge and new ideas.

See above.. I rest my case. Those that choose *not* to 'share', either don't because a) they have 'competitors', that also visit-PL, and they are under zero-obligation to-share whole ideas that may put them at a dis-advantage in the marketplace / with competitors, b) often-times, yes - a 'Pro' or Co may not share a complete-design, or, may 'share by selling' a finished-product, but - at least it's not some rip-off clone from someone else!!! Or, thrown-together with shoddy-materials / craftsmanship / black marker over the 'real-info', etc

If you guys really contributed as much as you think you contibute I might be singing a different tune.

How about this suggestion: Maybe you should open your eyes a little wider, and stop being so cynical / critical of whatever-level of help, the 'pros of PL', *are*-giving to this community... I can tell ya this much - it's 100% more than all the other Pro Co's that *aren't* here, giving / helping, so...

I gotta go to werk... You have a good-time with your dart-set...
j

[kiyoukan]

Well i do like the idea of giving helpful members who share their ideas a note on their name but rep systems or awards can get out of hand.

[JohnYayas]

Steve's request was for an avatar for people with variances or who have helped put on a legal laser show. And I am saying that there are plenty of folks on here that DON'T have variances who deserve recognition a lot more for what they have done on here. Most of those people you mentioned would not qualify for the avatar he had in mind. So, again, your point is invalid. Pay attention.

[Bradfo69]

Steve's request was for an avatar for people with variances or who have helped put on a legal laser show. And I am saying that there are plenty of folks on here that DON'T have variances who deserve recognition a lot more for what they have done on here. Most of those people you mentioned would not qualify for the avatar he had in mind. So, again, your point is invalid. Pay attention.

Gary, I don't want to get caught in this fray but, I will chime in briefly, both in defense of Jon as well as Steve. Actually, the people he mentioned are a mixed bag. Some are in other countries that don't require a variance (Rob and Andy come to mind) and the ones he mentioned in the US I'm certain have something in their background that would fit the spirit of Steve's proposal. In addition, Steve's original post addressed the fact that a provision would be made for those who aren't in countries that require a variance or it's equivalent but, have attained a certain level of professionalism. He even addresses lab/holo guys as well. So, perhaps some attention needs to be redirected on your part too.

I think the intent here is some small symbol that demonstrates that you have attained some level of professionalism and sets you apart from the novice, weekend dj, casual reader or basement experimenter. You have developed and sell a piece of laser software that some regard highly. Heck, I own a couple of copies. That to me, is an accomplishment which also elevates you to a level of professionalism over the novice, weekend dj,.... More so that what I have done thus far to "qualify", which is write a check to ILDA. I have no familiarity with anything else in your laser background. I'm still learning. I have a long way to go. I've filed for a variance. I WILL do safe, professional shows. The more of them under my belt, the more I might just want a little something under my avatar. Oh wait.... first, I think, I need an avatar to begin with! (Jon..? Where's that logo!?! I think I found another use!)

[soforene]

..... rep systems or awards can get out of hand.

You mean even at the Pre-inception stage (like this)?

[dnar]

You mean even at the Pre-inception stage (like this)?

That dear sir deserves a burst.