Hey Spec, A Request

[Solarfire]

Permission to kipe your Quote / make a T-shirt, Sir? ..Yes, I'll 'send ya one' if I do... "Engineer" On-it, doesn't always mean Engineer IN-it.. LOVE-it!

j

Please do, I'll order a dozen for the flock I'm babysiting...

[JohnYayas]

Gary, I don't want to get caught in this fray but, I will chime in briefly, both in defense of Jon as well as Steve. Actually, the people he mentioned are a mixed bag. Some are in other countries that don't require a variance (Rob and Andy come to mind) and the ones he mentioned in the US I'm certain have something in their background that would fit the spirit of Steve's proposal. In addition, Steve's original post addressed the fact that a provision would be made for those who aren't in countries that require a variance or it's equivalent but, have attained a certain level of professionalism. He even addresses lab/holo guys as well. So, perhaps some attention needs to be redirected on your part too.

I think the intent here is some small symbol that demonstrates that you have attained some level of professionalism and sets you apart from the novice, weekend dj, casual reader or basement experimenter. You have developed and sell a piece of laser software that some regard highly. Heck, I own a couple of copies. That to me, is an accomplishment which also elevates you to a level of professionalism over the novice, weekend dj,.... More so that what I have done thus far to "qualify", which is write a check to ILDA. I have no familiarity with anything else in your laser background. I'm still learning. I have a long way to go. I've filed for a variance. I WILL do safe, professional shows. The more of them under my belt, the more I might just want a little something under my avatar. Oh wait.... first, I think, I need an avatar to begin with! (Jon..? Where's that logo!?! I think I found another use!)

I understand the spirit of what Steve was asking for. I'm not opposed to it because I don't think there is any REAL harm in it. But, at the same time, I don't see any point in it, and I think it might end up hurting some feelings. (WAH WAH) Anyone displaying such an avatar is not going to be treated as elite or get a bonus in their paycheck. It might make those people FEEL a little more elite than those who don't have them and it might make those who don't have them feel somewhat inferior to those who have them but what good will come of that? Best case is that people will see your badges and target you out as the ones to ask questions. It has already been illustrated that some of these "pros" have very little patience for questions from newbies since their responses are often in the spirit of "RTFM". It might result in someone getting a job lead but the chances of that are probably around 0.1%. People seriously looking to employ laserists are not going to sign up for a free forum such as this with all of the BS that goes along with it to post a job opening. There will be people who are looking for hobbyist and people not so serious about their work since they often work for peanuts. See the festival thread for example and at the same time look how the OP was treated by those "pros". I guess what I don't really like about it is that Steve is basically stating that he knows more than most people on here so he and others should be recognized for it in every post that he/they make. That's basically what it really boils down to. He could easily create an avatar that says whatever he wants that would do essentially the same thing. But, he wants Spec to do it so that other people can't also gloat about their achievements unless they fit the rules that he has defined.

I am open to someone explaining to me what good will come out of that and why it is needed or even desired here.

[Bradfo69]

Point very well taken. Nor am I in disagreement with it. Yes, it could very well cause some problems... and Steve did admit to it being somewhat elitist and "ego stroking". And fortunately, we have this forum in the first place to debate the pros and cons. My guess will be that it will never come to fruition in it's originally proposed form but, maybe after healthy discussion, a palatable idea will arise. We have the bolder blue typeface for those of us that contribute monetarily which, in a sense, sets some members apart and, I don't know for certain, but I'm sure there is some thread buried here where the origins of that were debated and discussed.

[Bradfo69]

Oh, and thanks for the avatar logo Jon! That's been on my to do list for about 8 months...

[Solarfire]

Well Steve’s proposal would help me in one way. It would make it easier to distinguish if I’m being dazzled with brilliance or just being baffled with bullshit.

[massivesound]

I'm clearly one of the "junior members" Steve knew would chime in (scream?) and I'm completely ambivalent as to whether this actually comes to pass. I think most who frequent this forum can easily recognize which members are pros (as well as those who are helpful) just based on the content of their posts. I already have a lot of respect for guys like Steve and many others here who are incredible resources for the community, and I don't think a few medallions or logos beneath their names would change that for better or worse.

It does seem like it would require a significant effort on the part of the administrator to vet everyone's credentials and keep track of them.

[dsli_jon]

Please do, I'll order a dozen for the flock I'm babysiting...

..Well, here ya go, SF..

NGNEER T.jpg ..and - you'll know 'who needs-one', when you ask someone to 'read it'...and they start rambling-something about 'train-tracks', etc..

..lemme know if ya want the .eps-art.. I'd go to spreadshirt.com - who we used for the 'SoCaLEM'...Great service / pricing.. you can upload your art, right into the web-app / layout the T / size, etc spec T-sizes / colors, and fire off yer order... 5-Stars to that-site / Co...

..thanks for the avatar logo... That's been on my to do list for about 8 months...

U bet, Mang... just a 'pro' tryin to help-out, where he can..

j

[dnar]

My guess will be that it will never come to fruition in it's originally proposed form but, maybe after healthy discussion, a palatable idea will arise.

This forum could just continue to badger and throw stones at the amateurs that walk by....

Oh wait, this don't apply to IRC does it?

I am against such badge schemes. I have the AU equivalent of a Variance, but I don't need no stinking gold star or purple elephant badge for people to know I am a cranky miserable old bastard.

[Laserman532]

i dont have a variance.............................and i'm me!

[Vidal Wolf]

Umm....
I gotta add my two cents here.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3yJomUhs0g

[norty303]

I'm still not clear 'why'?

[dnar]

Umm....
I gotta add my two cents here.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3yJomUhs0g

I am just curious how you knew that video?

[dsli_jon]

@ Nate.. Lol...

I'm still not clear 'why'?

..it's a 'star-bellied sneetch-thang', you wouldn't understand..

jk.. cheers..
j

[steve-o]

I wanna star on my belly. Cab i has a star peez?

[dsli_jon]

I wanna star on my belly.

I highly-recommend Roselyn Sanchez... http://www.google.com/search?q=rosel...ed=0CAcQ_AUoAQ

...not that I'd *know* ..just sayin.. She's pretty-foxy...
j

..and i'm me!

Yes, you certainly-are, Cap'n!!!

Btw, I think you have an 'invitation you need to open', Sir, http://www.photonlexicon.com/forums/...php?groupid=16 ..and.. you still owe me an autograph.. http://www.photonlexicon.com/forums/...chmentid=30061

j

[mixedgas]

I am just curious how you knew that video?

Have children, you find there is a whole different world out there.
Not that I would know, I don't have any.
Steve

[kiyoukan]

so where is Spec in all this does he want to give out stars?
Maybe we could pay him 10$ for a star next to your name.

[mixedgas]

I'm still not clear 'why'?

The idea was to encourage people to find out about compliance and professionalism,
and sneetches.
Steve

[steve-o]

Jon wrote:
I highly-recommend Roselyn Sanchez... http://www.google.com/search?q=rosel...ed=0CAcQ_AUoAQ

Yeh, ok Jon.. when's she commin over ? lol . The wifey might object .. maybe a 3some.. ok sry for the tdjack ,, back to steve's thread ...
(oops .. didnt see page 3-)

[Admin]

so where is Spec in all this does he want to give out stars?

Reading this thread to see where it goes. I tend to do that.

[Bradfo69]

Reading this thread to see where it goes.

Where else...?? Roselyn and Sneetches!!

(Not necessarily a bad thing, mind you. Gotta have a diversion now and again!)

[steve-o]

Oh boy! Spec's here!!! Now we all get gold starz!!! Wheeeeeeee!!!!!!!!!!!

[kiyoukan]

ill pay 10$ to have my star removed please.
Thanks

[dnar]

Everyone gets a star?

Everyone was created equal.

Some created more equal than others.

[Picasso]

So in the Sneetches story....... Sylvester McMonkey McBean = X-Laser?