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[TechJunkie]

Bernie is one of those people? He calls himself a socialist and he is correct.

"People" keep misusing a lot of words and you are simply wrong. You think this country is somehow inoculated against destructive leadership? Many countries in Europe have become progressively more socialist and they are going to hell. But, it can't happen here?

Bernie is a Democratic Socialist. There is a difference. And like I said I'm not flying Bernie's flag, its just at this point in history IMO he is clearly the better choice for the next 4 years. Also my point about Obama still holds. Everyone cried socialist before he came into office, and our country is no closer to socialism than when W was in office. You could debate Obama care, but he really didnt have much to do with it. Its was Ted Kennedy's baby, and modeled after what Massachusetts has been doing for ~40 years. I see some of the best doctors literally in the world, and it costs me $0. Regardless of opinions the healthcare system in this country needed something to be done, and nobody else was doing anything. It still doesnt make us socialists.

I know what you meant, but I disagree with your premise. This is supposed to be a republic of free people, not a nanny state that looks for the most attractive caretakers. Your willingness to be charitable is good and it is your choice with your costs and rewards. However, the idea that your philosophy is any more valid than someone who chooses not to be so giving is egotistical. That is what freedom is all about. Someone can choose the direction for there own life and they reap the results.

Of course they can. I was just stating that I walk the talk. Most of the people I've met in life, from rich to poor, both liberals and conservatives and everything in between, talk out of their ass. My philosophy is that these people are the problem, but I digress, there is no law out there banning stupidity.

I said you may have a self loathing issue.

How you even thought this is beyond me. If you read my posts in this thread you'd know I loath the pettiness, egos, and lack of participation in our society, not myself.

If you don't then you clearly have a loathing for many Americans that mirrors the loathing that academia, SJW's, trans bathroom users, most media employees, Hollywood, Islamists and Obama spew aggressively with the assumption that no other point of view is valid and should be silenced. Nice company.

Once again you're trying to categorize me again. I dont live in a nice neat little box, never have. I also loath the reluctance of change. Baby Boomers dont like, and dont want change, thats abundantly clear. They live in the past while the world keeps chugging further, and further away. I believe those Baby Boomer views are no longer valid, should be silenced because all they do is hold back society, and do nothing positive for the world we all live in. The straight, white, Christian, American dream is a relic, and there is nothing anyone can do to change this. The British learned this the hard way. You cant go back, only forward. Personally I dont like it either, but I keep moving forward everyday. I've never let myself get so comfortable that my vision turns singular, because nothing in this world is one sided. Tolerance, generosity, and humbleness are the keys to happiness. Sorry, but I dont see any of these traits in Trump, or Clinton.

I don't, but how do YOU know what they are talking about? Hmmm? You think I am a Republican? I am not. Have you read through this thread?

My girlfriends mother watches FoxNews 24/7. Every weekend I hear ~8 hours of that dribble, and she believes all of it. A lot of what you're saying echoes a lot of what they say. And I have read the things you've wrote here, and on LPF. My opinion is you're a closet Republican. You claim to be a Democrat, but everything you voice echoes a Republican. If you're really not a Republican than your arguments for Trump fall way short because an educated Democrat would never vote for Trump. From a Democratic view (which I posted earlier) Trump may be smart, but he's definitely not Presidential material. Trump is just another Ross Perot. He tells you what you want to hear, then if he gets in he'll wipe whats left of the middle class from existence, while making him a trillionaire at the same time.

Go Bernie!!! LOL

I'm ashamed to be participating in a discussion like this. The world is laughing at us, but American pride just doesnt see it. These candidates are embarrassing, just like the last 2 main elections. "W" with his double digit IQ, Gore who thought he was Clark Kent, Romney and his magic underwear, and Obama who sold out his own party in a backroom deal to put the people who created the housing bubble in government jobs that controlled the housing market. WTF

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I don't want to get into this but the above post is too hostile, tone it down if you expect to continue this discussion and not turn it into a flamewar.

Once again you're trying to categorize me again.

yeah, like this guy:

My opinion is you're a closet Republican. You claim to be a Democrat, but everything you voice echoes a Republican.

[TechJunkie]

I don't want to get into this but the above post is too hostile, tone it down if you expect to continue this discussion and not turn it into a flamewar.

yeah, like this guy:

No flames, I like and respect Planters, always have. I'm just passionate, like he is. Political discussion always come with a little hostility. Plus he tried to categorize me twice, so I figure turnabout is fair play. My end point being no one likes to be categorized.

[planters]

if you expect to continue this discussion and not turn it into a flamewar.

Nothing wrong with a flame war as long as the arguments are sound.

My girlfriends mother watches FoxNews 24/7. Every weekend I hear ~8 hours of that dribble, and she believes all of it. A lot of what you're saying echoes a lot of what they say.

Second hand smoke,huh? You need to get out of that house, get a new girlfriend or spend some quality time educating her mother about alternative news sources. Remember the advise of the wise "if you want to know what your love will be like as she ages, look at her mother".

I see some of the best doctors literally in the world, and it costs me $0. Regardless of opinions the healthcare system in this country needed something to be done, and nobody else was doing anything. It still doesnt make us socialists.

I know some of your story and yes, that is socialist.

How you even thought this is beyond me. If you read my posts in this thread you'd know I loath the pettiness, egos, and lack of participation in our society, not myself.

You criticize very forcefully the "conservative" Americans who supported Reagan. You disagree with their philosophy, but here you say what you loath and it is unrelated. You don't defend your opposition and you throw out a specious argument.

I believe those Baby Boomer views are no longer valid, should be silenced

This statement says it all. Anyone here want to come to Tech's defense? Stalin and Mao supporters would say the same thing. Does this spell out why these "rioters for hire" at Trump rallies are helping Trump to increase his support?

You claim to be a Democrat, but everything you voice echoes a Republican.

Where do I say that? You haven't actually read through this thread.

I'm ashamed to be participating in a discussion like this. The world is laughing at us, but American pride just doesnt see it.

I'm not ashamed. Maybe you should refrain, but before you go would you identify those foreigners that are laughing? I'd like to look at what they value and what they have achieved. It would be interesting.

[TechJunkie]

Second hand smoke,huh? You need to get out of that house, get a new girlfriend or spend some quality time educating her mother about alternative news sources. Remember the advise of the wise "if you want to know what your love will be like as she ages, look at her mother".

Believe me I go as least as possible to her mothers home, and so does my GF. Her mom is the one of those people who never should have been a parent, and she is so brain washed now its too late. My GF was more closer to her dad, but he died back in 2009. He was a good man, liberal/independent, but lacked communication skills. In fact her whole family on both sides lack communication skills. The first thing I taught my GF was communication skills, thats why we've lasted so long, but she still has troubles expressing herself to her own family. She educated herself on politics, and we share many of the same views. And you're wrong. The quote is "if you want to know what your love will look like as she ages, look at her mother" Women tend to be daddies girls, the men are mommy's boys.

I know some of your story and yes, that is socialist.

Yes, and no. I paid the taxes for the programs that help me today. And the programs are there for people that need them, its not mandatory that everyone in the state uses these programs. You can use any insurance company you want. The idea is to help people that cannot afford healthcare, and its a good idea. With the sky rocketing price of insurance, and medication a lot of people cant afford it. This has been this way long before Obamacare, and the people of this country have been asking for an answer to this for decades, and no one has done anything about it. Massachusetts is far from a socialist state. While the country was reeling from the last recession we were building new banks, and upgrading businesses. Besides the hike in food costs, its been business as usual the whole time for the most part. A capitalist government with some socialist idealism is a good thing, not a bad one. The Constitution starts will "We the People", not "We the people who can afford it". Even if you want to geek out over it Spock said "The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few" LOL. Truer words have not been spoken.

You criticize very forcefully the "conservative" Americans who supported Reagan. You disagree with their philosophy, but here you say what you loath and it is unrelated. You don't defend your opposition and you throw out a specious argument.

This would a 5 page debate. If you find fault in my opinion thats fine. I never said I was a genius, I'm highly opinionated and I try to research my opinions to the fullest before I give them. The key things in my memory of Regan where that he was a moron, puppet, and almost crippled the country financially. He tore the solar cells off the roof of the White House to keep us dependent on oil. He also brought in more drugs than any cartel that exists today, targeting the black population directly, all while running a "Say no to drugs" campaign to generate fear in the middle class white populous to fund a war on drugs that can never be won. Oh, lets also not forget they figured out a way to run the country while he was in a coma, almost causing a nuclear war in the process. The true history of Reagan is out there, you just have to stay away from partisan sources, and have an open mind.

I think the word criticize is massive understatement. And blind obedience is a better term than philosophy.

This statement says it all. Anyone here want to come to Tech's defense? Stalin and Mao supporters would say the same thing. Does this spell out why these "rioters for hire" at Trump rallies are helping Trump to increase his support?

Stalin and Mao? Really? Lets not get too extreme Rich. I'm talking progression, not repression. I forget sometimes people dont know me. I dont generalize, though it may sound like I do. I believe in views that move forward, not keep us behind. Many Baby Boomer views keep this country in the past. This fact is well known across all parties. What Trump is doing is feeding into these past views to get votes. What I also believe Trump is the one hiring the protesters at his rallies. It makes him look like he's being repressed, just like the what most Americans feel like, and it also gives him credibility, because in reality has none. Say what you want about all other candidates, but at least they have a track record. You can see what type of people they are politically. No one on this planet can predict what Trump will do in office because he has no track record, and thats the insanity about the whole thing. He has no political past, he has no defined agenda, he didnt even take the time to learn world affairs, and American policies in the past 5 years since he said he was going to run. He's nothing but a face spewing facts about politicians the American public should have already known, and he's using the same BS propaganda the others use to get votes. He's even gone so far to attack families of politicians. You cant call him a liar, or prove his political worth because he's never held a political office. How do you stand behind a man that bought his way into the candidacy, and tells people what they want to hear without anything to back it up??? I dont associate with these kind of people in real life, why would I ever put them in charge of the country?

I am totally serious when I say that if he gets elected I'll know this country is truly F'd, and that I'm out of here. Canada, or the EU may not be perfect places, but they dont have the system of screwing their people down to a science like America has. I love this country. My father, and uncles fought, and some died defending it. If the populous is so blind, stupid, and/or arrogant enough to put Trump/Clinton in office than I dont want to be a part of it anymore.

I'm not ashamed. Maybe you should refrain, but before you go would you identify those foreigners that are laughing? I'd like to look at what they value and what they have achieved. It would be interesting.

LOL, are you telling me to shut up Rich?

If you need a list then you're not paying attention to world affairs. Its easy to point fingers at other countries flaws without being there or knowing their people. The news does it all the time, but the network news reports come from one source, and usually just report the bad news. Lets face it, people only want to watch the bad news. There are many countries that do things much better than we do, and are nicer places to live.

You can start with Norway. They are number one in education, America being 23rd. In fact a lot of Americans go there to get their collage education. The way its set up in America is that you're already in dept up to your eyeballs when you graduate an American collage. Once again not generalizing, but for the people who dont have the means and want to better themselves, they are saddled with a huge debt for years after they graduate. How does this help society? It doesnt. I went to a tiny committee collage, received free grants, and still racked up 7k in debt. I'm sure you'd be retired by now if you didnt owe collage loans. Unless your parents paid for your ride.

[planters]

And you're wrong. The quote is "if you want to know what your love will look like as she ages, look at her mother"

So, genetics stops at the dermis? Don't bet on it. "The apple doesn't fall far from the tree" etc. But I wish you good luck

Yes, and no. I paid the taxes for the programs that help me today. And the programs are there for people that need them, its not mandatory that everyone in the state uses these programs.

But, it is mandatory for those who pay for it...to pay for it, even if they do not use it or want it. That is socialist.

The key things in my memory of Regan where that he was a moron, puppet, and almost crippled the country financially. He tore the solar cells off the roof of the White House to keep us dependent on oil. He also brought in more drugs than any cartel that exists today, targeting the black population directly, all while running a "Say no to drugs" campaign to generate fear in the middle class white populous to fund a war on drugs that can never be won. Oh, lets also not forget they figured out a way to run the country while he was in a coma, almost causing a nuclear war in the process.

The true history of Reagan is out there, you just have to stay away from partisan sources, and have an open mind.

Yes...YOU... DO!

I am totally serious when I say that if he gets elected I'll know this country is truly F'd, and that I'm out of here. Canada, or the EU may not be perfect places, but they dont have the system of screwing their people down to a science like America has.

Really? Why not go now? If we have it down so pat already and Trump hasn't been on the scene prior to 8 months ago why are you still here? You are full of crap. If Trump wins and there is a real chance he might, where will you go? Really where? Norway? You may have to plan to move in 6 months.

LOL, are you telling me to shut up Rich?

Not at all. You said you were ashamed to be having this discussion. Those are your words. Why continue? But, if you decide to refrain I want that list because I am calling you out. I want you to present your list because if "the world is laughing" means dubious characters or people with a destructive agenda are the ones laughing, then who cares?

"The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few" LOL. Truer words have not been spoken.

Many truer words have been spoken, but these particular words will be very appealing to a socialist.

I believe those Baby Boomer views are no longer valid, should be silenced

Stalin and Mao? Yes. What you said here is awful. Luckily, you are still in the minority, but many of us are frightened that your numbers are increasing.

P.S. My name is not Rich.

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I DONT CARE WHO GETS SELECTED, as long a people die!

[planters]

OK, I'm here with a Stalinist and a nihilist. I feel like Dante, it's time to head up.

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OK, I'm here with a Stalinist and a nihilist. I feel like Dante, it's time to head up.

Really? - You think that is bad...try being surrounded by a bunch of brain dead, voting, murdering military, mind controlled, television addicted, flag waving, GMO infected, wage slave indoctrinated, control freak...STATIST!!!

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