really unpleasure trade with Lasernerd

[bridge]

This is Bridge,as you all know, a few days ago, I trade a powermter with Lasernerd, the threads is there:
http://www.photonlexicon.com/forums/...ead.php?t=7263
as things going on, I thought better to make all of you know the truth and later, when you decided trade with somebody, please make sure he is honest and trust man that value you do that.
below is all email between us, I clear up it with time from begin to now. very long . sorry.
from Bridge's view, we just want to tell people truth and we don't like and had time dispute with someone, so I only put this threads,I won't reply this threads, if the man want to do something, please write with factual evidence, I am sure, all of you from the email between us will know the truth and gain yourself conclusion exactly, truth is always truth, no need more word.
Best regards!
Bridge
 发件人: Mark Kriska
[mailto:thelasernerd@yahoo.com
 收件人: bridge@laser-wave.com
 主题: Coherent power Meter
Hello,
How are you?
OK,
Do you have any questions?
As for shipping,what would you like to do?

Mark
My Mail:
*******
 Hi Mark,
Pleasure to hear from you soon.
I am fine, thanks, and you?
Ok, a few questions.
1) about shipping prices, both of us payment our own shipping prices, that meaning we pay shipping payment of lasers to you,you payshipping payment of powermeter to us, we will choose EMS,your choose USPS is ok for us, no need UPS etc.
2) would you like shipping the powermeter to us first,we need a little time for prepare the lasers for you. it is ok? Or waiting a few days and we shipping together, all is ok for us.
That's all, .
Thanks for your time and waiting for your reply soon.
Best regards!
Bridge
Hello Bridge,
All sounds good!
How about we both ship at the same
time?
I like that idea and USPS works great!
You will be very happy with this Laser power meter! It is brand new!
I will ship without Batteries it takes 6 AA.
Please talk about what you are sending me? I am very happy!
Thank you!
Mark
P.S. Your shipping address is needed.> >
 Hi Mark,
No problems, shipping together is ok.
I will choose a higher 150mW series blue lasers for you, we had one in test,power is about 180mW, :-).
This weekend it will be ok, time is ok?
Our address is:
Receiver name: Tan Chengqiao(my Chinese name,qiao in English is “Bridge”, so you know why my name is Bridge now,-))
Address: The east 5th Floor, M7 building,No.1 Jiuxianqiao East Road,Chaoyang District, Beiijng, China Post code: 100016
Phone number: +86-10-84574749
Please write: LED meter supply for 50USD for custom tax,:-).
What products and how much you ‘d like us write for?
For American, we always write “ power supply”,:-).
Best regards!
Bridge
 hello,
I checked up on your prices, a 150mw 471 is1450$ US
This meter sells for the same 1450$ US!I amalsoincluding a PM10 Broadband Power head sells for 850$ US
Is your deal good for me?
Mark

 Hi Mark,
I 'd like change is fair not one though they are suffer losses.
I reading your thread before contact with you.
> http://www.photonlexicon.com/forums/...ead.php?t=7263
“OK,,I am so not about the cash!
I like to barter for laser goods thats it,,
OK 1350$ cash min. hows that?
What's your offers??
I cannot give a exact Calib.date But my one calibrated meter against the TOP it is point on! “
Also the laser yourself choose is 150mW series, I will try give you a higher power one. But first,
It is better both of us feeling fair, we don't like do someone thought things not fair. How about your thought?
Best regards!
Bridge
Hello Bridge
What have you come up with?
Mark
Hi Mark,
Pleasure to hear from you, sorry for little busy
during day time.It is 19:05 here ,we still do some design for PALME,the exhibition will coming soon during May.
Mark,no problems, I will choose higher power
one for you,but it is still our 150mW series, not our200mW series,
I 'd like tell you first, I can choose one near to 200mW, I thought it is fair, as you first asked is 1350USD on PL forums and you first ask me is 150mW blue.also this unit is second unit not new.
Be business, I agree change with 150mW
series blue, be friend, I agree choose a higher power one(at
least 180mW, 80% possible is I will choose our new type 200mW
for you for review,, ) blue lasers for you, that is what I can do.
Any questions, please don't hesitate to tell me,it is my pleasure hear from you.
Thanks for your time and waiting for your reply soon.
Best regards!
Bridge
Hello?
Are you ready for the deal?
Hi Mark,
For sample, I will choose a blue laser power is about 200mW
or little higher than 200mW for the powermeter,that's ok?
Don't worry, laserwave never do overdriven for higher power, all of our doide are used smaller than it's marked maxiam current.
Best regards!
Bridge
 Hi Bridge,
Please let me know when you will ship,,I have your unitready to go
with some goodies you can use!
 Hi Mark,
> > I wish this weekend, I will tell you exact time
> > tomorrow..
> > Thanks for your extra goodies, you da man!
> > Best regards!
> > Bridge
 OK Deal is done!
>
> Thank you!
>
> Is it ok if I tell people who got the meter?
>
> Thank you,
>
> Mark
 Woooo Hoooo
Thank you!!!!
make sure modulation is Analog!!

Thank you Bridge,,

Mark
 Hi Mark,
Sure, all laser-wave's products are with Analog, don't worry, .
Best regards!
Bridge
Once again Laser-Wave is the best!!!

Mark
Thanks, Mark
Thanks for your good words, your satisfy is our most pleasure.
I had saw our link in your webwite, thanks!
Best regards!
Bridge
Hi Bridge,
I am burning a Disc of the LabView software for the Coherent meter,
It is very hard to get!

Mark
Hi Mark,
Attachment is our address.
Buring a Disc of the labview? What is that? .
Best regards!
Bridge
 This is the USB software for your PC to get the readings on your computer straight from the LPM
Hi Bridge,
here is the package I am sending you,
I included a picture before i box it all up today!

OK,you have a good day!
Hi Mark,
Great pictures, I love it.
What is the yellow color unit, look niceful, .
Best regards!
Bridge

 Mark
Hi again!

could you e-mail me a printable address attachment?

ok,thanks

 Mark
The Yellow units are high quality temperture units with external thermisistors to check temperatures of TEC.s and crystals and Diodes!
Perfect for laser work.
They are about 500$ if you buy them,They are yours for being good to me!
Hi Bridge,

Looking for an update?

Your package is ready to ship out!

 Mark
Hi Mark,
The laser will ready for shipping next Monday or Tuesday.
Don’t worry, I ‘d like choose a niceful one for you, .
After our shipping, you shipping us is ok, we trust you.
Best regards!
Bridge


OK,
sounds good,,a little long but ok.
 Yes,as soon as you ship I will ship!
This is good you are busy!
You do have good products!

OK I am so very anxious to see what power of laser you will send me!

Mark

Hi Mark,
I ‘d like the powermeter who can analyse the test result.
Ultima Labmaster with PM10 or more higher powermeter, PM30? Maybe.
Hehe, give me what you’d like trade?
Best regards!
Bridge

Hello Bridge,
I have 3 Labmasters with the Modemaster,
I need to go thru them to make sure all function 100%!

I will give you first when completed!

Mark
Ok, Mark,
I will waiting your news, if that’s ok, maybe shipping together is better, .
Best regards!
Bridge
Hi Bridge,
How is the Blue laser doing?

Mark
Hi Mark,
Don't worry, I will choose a higher power one for you.
200mW blue is enough for your system, if you can add Labmaster, maybe we will choose >300mW blue with another lasers,both of us thought fair is ok, trust and fair is always the most important thing for long cooperations later, .
just curious, why you had so many powermeter, .
Best regards!
Bridge
Hi Bridge,
We must complete this first deal first.
Do you think it will ship soon? I have a serious project waiting.
I am a laser and optics tech.
I work for many laser companies,I trade work for products!
Long time with Microsoft Hardware R&D

Many people sure want my LPM meters!

Mark
Hi Mark,
No problems, complete the first deal, good idea.
will shipping tuesday, before shipping, I will take 2 pictures for you to choose which laser you'd like.
because we had different type unit.
one is normal, we selled many many unit.as we agree, choose around 200mW unit for you.
the other is our new type,we had some change design for it(But it is not the final new type unit), the new type is more powerful and test here is working very well.choose around 250mW unit for you.
which one you'd like choose?
Best regards!
Bridge

Hi,

I would like your newer unit,I could than do a review of your new product if you would like?
Tuesday sounds great!

We are having a PaCoLEM this May,,I could really show off your new product,lot's of laser Show people will be there!
LaserMan532 on PhotonLexicon is in charge.

Mark
good choose.the same thought here.
PacoLEM? interesting.what it's full name? for laser hobbiest in American or including other places?
May is coming soon, also in May, here had PALME, all over the world laser company will coming here.
hehe, LaserMan532 is a kindly man, he did very well mount.
Best regards!
Bridge
Yes Pat is a good guy!
here is a link to our Oregon,Washington,California meet
http://www.photonlexicon.com/forums/...ead.php?t=6955

Mark
good.
how many people sure will be there?
Oh,I would say 15-20+ people!
****. lasers
Laser*****
Laser*****
***** lasers
L.*.*.

Going to be a big one,we only will do one a year!
I myself do 4-6 professional laser light shows a month!
TNL 2-3 a month
Laseronics is in Egypt alot,
We are all varianced by the C.D.R.H. for laser light show productions.

Pat could give you the details way better than myself

Mark

We do all of the Pacific Northwest
good job.all professional man!
ok, if need some small door prizes, please tell me.(or talk with Pat as he is arrange this event?)
Oh Bridge that would so very nice of you!!
We all work very hard!
Pat is the man in charge of all arrangments.

Did you see I have your website link on my KES site?
We all like LaserWave products,
We are big Gas ION laser guys and now are going with the small powerful DPSS lasers,much easier on our backs.

 Mark
Thanks, Mark.
I will contact with Pat and discuss about door prizes, .
thanks, Mark, I had seen our links on your webwite, but I don't know why, here open your webwite and seen many words are superposition, I don't know why.
good changes, DPSS now is the most Popular used lasers now, .
Best regards!
Bridge
Thank you Bridge!


 Mark
Hello Bridge,
Have you made shippment yet?

Thanks,

 Mark
Hi Mark,
Today I go out for visit customers, and our guys not shipping it to you because they don't know your detail informations, sorry.
I promise shipping you tomorrow, and I am sure, you wil very happy with this lasers power, much much higher than I agree with you, .
and after you can check it online, you shipping the powermeter to us, that's ok.
best regards!
Bridge
Sounds good Bridge

Mark Kriska
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Hm. Ph.# ********


Mark
Hi Mark,
We had send the lasers to you today.

EMS, tracking No is EE017168708CN.
Very niceful blue lasers, .
Also I add 4 pcs PBS for PecoLEM, (10*10*10, 1pcs red, 1pcs green, 1 pcs blue, 1pcs 405nm)I thought better is shipping to you, send to Pat we need pay another shipping payment.
Would you like give it to Pat and tell him that is our door prizes for support PecoLEM, thanks.
When you can tracking it online, please send us the powermeter. Also don’t forgot tell me about Labmaster, the powermeter,.
Best regards!
Bridge
Hello Bridge,
Your Coherent FieldMax TOP with PM10 broadband 10 watt head with extra goodies has been sent!

Thank you!

[bridge]

Mark
Hi Mark,
Pleasure to hear you had shipped powermeter, waiting, waiting, .
Please tell me the shipping tracking No for convenience we check it here, thanks!
Best regards!
Bridge
Hello Bridge,
I have the customs declarations number,
I asked for tracking they said it would slow it way down in the mail
So,here is the Declaration number CP988159394US
Mail lady said 5 days!
What was the final output of the Laser?

I am excited!

Mark
Hi Bridge,
make sure you put in fresh "NEW" AA batteries,The LPM does not like weak batteries.

Ok

 Mark
Hi Mark,
Got your informations, thanks.
Sorry for delay reply, these days are really busy.
The blue laser here test are higher than 300mW, .
Anyway, you had good powermeter, you can do very well test,wish you will receive it soon and do detail test, .
I still remember your Labmaster powermeter, I love that unit, hehe.
Best regards!
Bridge
Hi Bridge!
very nice!!!!!!!!! WOW over 300mw's you the man!!!!

Is this the meter you want?

http://www.photonlexicon.com/forums/...ead.php?t=7377

Mark
Yes, it is.
This powermeter can do some analyse test, right?
Best regards!
Bridge
Hello Bridge,
Laser has arrived it is working,,Thank you!
we are doing the power test now..

Thank you!

Mark
Hello bridge,
Hope all is ok...

Did you get LPM yet??
I have a very nice laser!!!!! Thank you Sir!
What output did you get before shipping???
I want to compare,,it is over 300mw's!!

Again thank you.

Mark
Hello Bridge,
I have a question?

PCB numbers part #'s C-30 and R-14 are bridged together
by a blob of solder is this correct?

I have sent the picture for ref.

Thank you.

Marik
Hi Mark,
Good eyes.
It is Saturday here, also these days are Chinese Labour holiday,our electronics engineers had gone home for enjoy his holiday.
I will see if I had chance go to working room and see the others are solder together or not.
If all the others are sold together, sure, no problems.
If all the others are not sold together, then when our electronics engineers back, I will asking them it is ok.
Maybe Tuesday here, that’s time ok for you?
Thanks for your time and waiting for reply soon.
Best regards!
Bridge

hello bridge Sir,
Rob Stanwax said it is in fact tied together on the board!!


Thank you!!!!
have a fun weekend!

Mark
Hi Mark,
I had seen this threads.
http://www.photonlexicon.com/forums/...?t=7377&page=2
how about trade with a 400mW 635nm red lasers?
our 400mW 635nm prices is 760USD/pcs. and you never worry about power from Laser-wave, .
Also I had seen Rob had answer your questions, thanks Rob, thanks Mark.
Thanks for your time and waiting for your reply soon.
Best regards!
Bridge
Hi Bridge,
Can you make it so I have a balance of Red?
I have 300mw 532,,350mw 473 ,,,, yes thank you! 350mw's!!!!!

So I need enough Red to match,,
Go ahead and send to me,I will put Coherent LabMaster in box and get ready for you!
635 is a nice color,Good job!

Ok,Thank you!

You do have meter now?
Mark
Hi Mark,
I still not received meters.
What power red you want? Remember you only had 700USD for trade.
Hehe, you know your change what a niceful blue with LPM, .
Best regaerds!
Bridge
Hi,
Yes that was a today cash $$$ special!
I would also give you the 45 watt head!

You just send me the biggest Red you can!

Maybe I give you also Coherent dbCheck little wand laser meter too!

I will be happy

It is SOLD to Bridge!
Hi Mark,
Pleasure to hear from you soon.
that was a today cash $$$ special!, so I am lucky.
Ok, I will choose a bigger power 400mW series 635nm lasers for you.
But things must done after we received the LPM, still not received it, only wish after Labour holiday, it will be there.
Maybe I give you also Coherent dbCheck little wand laser meter too!
If you can, please, great thanks, .
If you had time and do some review of our new type blue, that will be great thanks here.
During PacoLEM, people will see it?
Best regards!
Bridge

Hi,
I have the Customs paperwork,
It really should be there soon!

OK, Deal for 635nm!
The Labmaster is very heavy!! It will cost ALOT too ship!
about 7 Kilos

Yes full review will be soon.very busy as you!

Thank you!

Mark
Hi Bridge

Hope weekend was fun!
Well with the green and Blue lasers I got from you I need over 500mw's
635 Red to have a balance!
This will be a superb laser projector for the PaCoLEM!
ALL analog with EyeMagic 50K scanners!!
Many are excited to see this unit!


OK

Thanks,
Mark
Hello Bridge!
Hope LPM has arrived!
I have paperwork.

I like this 473nm laser,,I should not do a review on it ok?
Beam exits aperture at a 5 degree downwards.Beam is not round kind of like Peanut shell.
It might be a used unit? it is OK.It works good
maybe used.heavy dust in fins and bolt marks on mount..

OK,
I have attached a picture to show you the dust area and how it feathers back,,it was in a projector before.
You can see where i wiped off the dust.

Talk soon,

Mark

Hi Mark,
LPM still not arrived.
For sure, it is new type not used unit.
Why it is had dust because this is our new type, for new type, we always did long time test at our places, for normal our lasers did 50hours Continue power test and 8hours/day more than 3 days.
But for new type lasers, the continue test will do 1 weeks,and 8hours/day will last 2 weeks, that is why the lasers had dust.
You can see this unit is different of our before products, especially in front of this lasers, the base and the metal shell had some distance, our normal products they are the same long.
Anyway, thanks for your informations, which make our guys more carefully check our products and do better and better later.
Best regards!
Bridge
Very good Bridge!

Why do you not have the LPM yet?
I can give you the Customs document number again,

Yes the Blue laser is very nice!
Let me know when the LPM arrives..

Thank you

Mark
Hi Mark,
I just checked the status today.
http://trkcnfrm1.smi.usps.com/PTSInt...LabelDetail.do
Arrived Abroad, April 30, 2009, 10:46 am, CHINA PEOPLES REP
But still not be our hand.
Will waiting and see can be our hand today or tomorrow.
Best regards!
Bridge
Hi Bridge!
Wow that is taking a long time!

Once you play with it and are happy,
send off the Red laser and I will send you the LabMaster

Thanks,
Mark
Hi Mark,
Pleasure to hear from you.
Waiting, waiting, still not received LPM.
When we received it , we will tell you, thanks!
Best regards!
Bridge
That is taking so long!!
what is the issue? do you know?
I want you to play with the meter!

Ok,
Have a good day!

Mark
Hi Bridge,
You have LPM yet?
> Hi Mark,
> Pleasure to hear from you.
> yes, we had received LPM, but be honest, I am not very happy with it,
> especially the test part, it had obvious scratch, we are wonder it is
> test result is correct or not?
> if it is test not correct, that is really sad story for us.
> 1), you write this unit is only used for 2 hours, but truth is not
> like that, it is used many many hours, years ago products.
> 2), the test part had scratch, you never mentioned 3), 12V power
> supply, backstop for test part are not including the package.
> 4), the battery had not power, we even can't open the meter to see it
> can working or not, we need to find the special plug 12V power suppply
> first.
> 5), the most things if we trust each other, we like help each other,
> you only want to change one >150mW blue lasers, even used unit, we
> promise give you 200mW unit, we finally give you 300mW blue lasers,
> but it is really a little heart broken is we received such LPM, as you
> know, we sell 300mW blue lasers, we can buy a new LPM from cohnrent,
> as friends, we 'd like trade from you.
> 6), you promise do review for us, but after you received you told us
> not do it, that 's ok, it is no problems for us, we agree.
> thanks for your tempture test tools, but be honest, compare with that
> tools, we 'd more like a well, good LPM not others, I wish you
> understanding me.
> thanks for your time and waiting for your reply soon.
> Best regards!
> Bridge
Hi Bridge,
The power head is used I stated that,
The Actual meter is brand new!! the battery door opens,you use your finger, it is 100% calibrated!
i did not do the review because I told you of the defects..
bad beam shape,beams comes down at a angle instead of straight out.
Who told you meter it is used many hours,,,That is not true,It is brand new meter, the scratch does not affect the power test!
I told you also I ship without batteries.
No special adapter just a 12 volt wall adaspter works great

I have sold 6 LPM's Coherent TOP and everybody is happy but you

That Coherent TOP sells for 1700$ the head brand new sells for 1600$ 1000$ used calibrated

You buying a meter from Coherent would cost you alot of $$$$ when your product does not cost you that much as you sell.
I had the meter and power puck inspected before I shipped it to you

I did not know you needed the stand?????


It seems we both have issues about the products,A trade is a trade

You do have a very nice power meter now!


Mark

The test part (Power Head) it does not matter of the scratch!

It is a THERMAL HEAD,,,not a OPTICAL HEAD.

Bridge you got a very nice meter..saying many hours is just wrong.
It was Coherent stock 2 months ago!
The battery door do not use tools to open!
Use your finger push the tab back.


Mark
Bridge,
If you think the scratch on the power head is a issue,,,,,,, I have another one that has no scratch?? It does not matter.


Mark
Mark,
> If you had head without scratch, please send us, we don't like the one
> with that, when power input the sratch, the test won't be correct,
> thanks.
> Best regards!
> Bridge
OK Bridge
I will fix YOUR issue.
You will need to get the power head back to me, I will need to break a matched set.

You are welcome.
Mark
OK Bridge
I will fix YOUR issue.
You will need to get the power head back to me, I will need to break a matched set.

You are welcome.


Mark
Your meaning I send back the head to
> you first?
> Please send the head to us first, after we received it, we send it
> back to you as soon as possible.
> We all PL forum members, all people there are know us, if you not
> trust me, I will asking Marc help me and contact with you first,and
> asking him guarantee for me, we wish long time cooperations not only
> one time cooperations.
> Best regards!
> Bridge
Bridge,
I only have two matched sets LPM and heads.I will need the power head to replace.I have them up on MANY sites for sale,I cannot be without a power head for the sale I do not have power heads only


I am not a manufacture.
one guy with a few LPM's!
Not about trust,
I do trust you Bridge

Thanks,

Mark
Bridge
Did you get the batteries in?
oh beam spot must be in center of detector not the side ,,, If on the side of detector that is incorrect operation of the power head!


Mark
> Mark,
> 2 power head is useless for us, after we received the new power head,
> we will arrange shipping the before power head to you as soon as
> possible.
> Best regards!
> Bridge
Bridge,
I have offered you a replacement,
But you need to send back head for a replacement, This all I can do, Or you can wait to see if I could get a sxtra power head.
Like I have said earlier I have to sets of LPM's with power heads, If I take a power head from the sets I need to relpace it.

Thanks,
Mark
> Mark,
> I am sure, Both of us don't like story like this.
> http://www.photonlexicon.com/forums/...5&highlight=la
> sernerd you had one not well trade with others, I had all email with
> you, if I open all detail communication with you and take pictures
> with the head, (you told me it is a new unit, I saw the date on the
> head, it is showed the head is made in
> 1998 year, that is really not well working), that is not well things
> for you, at least, 2 people are not happy trade with you.
> please seriously thought that, thanks!
> Thanks for your time and waiting for your reply soon.
> Best regards!
> Bridge
>Whoa

Umm go ahead,
I offered a replacement for the power head, YOU must return the other one..
That head is fine!I stated in all the sales the heads are used!If that was a new head I would have wanted a 500mw Blue in trade!
Blackmail is wrong!!

OK send me a Blue laser with a straight beam from the aperture, one that is not used with built up dust in the heatsink,,heatsink grease smeard around the side,Beam shape is like a peanut .Bridge i have documented all perimeters of this laser,except current,TEC temp.setting

WOW!! I am being blackmailed!
Hi Bridge,
The power head is used I stated that,
The Actual meter is brand new!! the battery door opens,you use your finger, it is 100% calibrated!
i did not do the review because I told you of the defects..
bad beam shape,beams comes down at a angle instead of straight out.
Who told you meter it is used many hours,,,That is not true,It is brand new meter, the scratch does not affect the power test!
I told you also I ship without batteries.
No special adapter just a 12 volt wall adaspter works great

I have sold 6 LPM's Coherent TOP and everybody is happy but you

That Coherent TOP sells for 1700$ the head brand new sells for 1600$ 1000$ used calibrated

You buying a meter from Coherent would cost you alot of $$$$ when your product does not cost you that much as you sell.
I had the meter and power puck inspected before I shipped it to you

I did not know you needed the stand?????


It seems we both have issues about the products,A trade is a trade

You do have a very nice power meter now!


Mark

Hi Mark,
Pleasure to hear from you.
Brand new, ok, I will take a pictures for you, we all like pictures just like we all love PL forums.
That Coherent TOP sells for 1700$ the head brand new sells for 1600$ 1000$ used calibrated

You buying a meter from Coherent would cost you alot of $$$$ when your product does not cost you that much as you sell.
I had the meter and power puck inspected before I shipped it to you I know what prices it is, before trade with you,we really want to buy one powermeter from Cohnrent, I had asked our distributor Marc(gottauvlasers) asked prices for us, if you told me prices like that, I 'd like you asking Cohnrent yourself again.
about our blue lasers, if you buy blue lasers from *** or other company in China, you will know what their beam Spec, they even not one single beam. we agree almost all lasers made in China are not as well as Cohnrent, the same time, the lasers made in China are much cheaper than lasers made in your country, that is truth.
trade is trade, a classical word, I know now, thanks for tell me the truth.
Best regards!
Bridge
Umm,
that link you e-mailed me needs to be read thru,He got everything we agreed upon, And i gave him extra!

How dare you put that in my face!!

Buffo called me honorable!!!!!! read that!!!!
here's a post
from PL

Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: South West Florida
Posts: 129

Thanks to Mark

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Yes the Coherent showed up in the mail today and it is GREAT! Mark is a really helpful guy an I am really glad that we could help each other out! It is really great that he is making these available on PL and not on ebay to help us all out!

I am looking forward to helping out other on the east coast with power tests.

Currently I am working win LabView on an application to allow for stats / graphs ..... to provide great profiles. When I have everything up and running I will let PL members know.

Thanks Again Mark great service.

**(this is things between Bridge and Lasernerd, so I used ** substitute the name Lasernerd’s mail mentioned).
If any not substitute, I am sorry for that, if there is something relations to others, please tell me, I will delete the things not about trade between bridge and lasernerd.




You will be a fool to post a picture of the scratch because it is not in the active work area (CENTER) And as I stated to EVERYBODY the heads are used!
Oh make sure you also add that offered a replacement power head!



Blackmail is bad!
and also you using the **** thread against me is wrong!

> Mark,
> ok, if we can't agree each other, I just want to tell everyone in PL
> forums the truth, before I do that, I want to do my best to
> communication with you , if we can find better way to solve problems,
> no one like give hurt to others.
> I never want to do anything as you write, blackmail , never.
> Bridge is serious man, everyone on PL forums know us exactly, I am
> sure, everyone here can had their own correct judge.
> Best regards!
> Bridge

[Lasernerd]

Mark
Bridge,
If you think the scratch on the power head is a issue,,,,,,, I have another one that has no scratch?? It does not matter.


Mark
Mark,
> If you had head without scratch, please send us, we don't like the one
> with that, when power input the sratch, the test won't be correct,
> thanks.
> Best regards!
> Bridge
OK Bridge
I will fix YOUR issue.
You will need to get the power head back to me, I will need to break a matched set.

You are welcome.
Mark
OK Bridge
I will fix YOUR issue.
You will need to get the power head back to me, I will need to break a matched set.

You are welcome.


Mark
Your meaning I send back the head to
> you first?
> Please send the head to us first, after we received it, we send it
> back to you as soon as possible.
> We all PL forum members, all people there are know us, if you not
> trust me, I will asking Marc help me and contact with you first,and
> asking him guarantee for me, we wish long time cooperations not only
> one time cooperations.
> Best regards!
> Bridge
Bridge,
I only have two matched sets LPM and heads.I will need the power head to replace.I have them up on MANY sites for sale,I cannot be without a power head for the sale I do not have power heads only


I am not a manufacture.
one guy with a few LPM's!
Not about trust,
I do trust you Bridge

Thanks,

Mark
Bridge
Did you get the batteries in?
oh beam spot must be in center of detector not the side ,,, If on the side of detector that is incorrect operation of the power head!


Mark
> Mark,
> 2 power head is useless for us, after we received the new power head,
> we will arrange shipping the before power head to you as soon as
> possible.
> Best regards!
> Bridge
Bridge,
I have offered you a replacement,
But you need to send back head for a replacement, This all I can do, Or you can wait to see if I could get a sxtra power head.
Like I have said earlier I have to sets of LPM's with power heads, If I take a power head from the sets I need to relpace it.

Thanks,
Mark
> Mark,
> I am sure, Both of us don't like story like this.
> http://www.photonlexicon.com/forums/...5&highlight=la
> sernerd you had one not well trade with others, I had all email with
> you, if I open all detail communication with you and take pictures
> with the head, (you told me it is a new unit, I saw the date on the
> head, it is showed the head is made in
> 1998 year, that is really not well working), that is not well things
> for you, at least, 2 people are not happy trade with you.
> please seriously thought that, thanks!
> Thanks for your time and waiting for your reply soon.
> Best regards!
> Bridge


As you can see
I have offered Bridge a replacement!!

I cannot break up a set LPM+PM10

I said I would ship the same day as receiving the one he has a issue with!

It checked out 100% the one he has!

[Lasernerd]

After looking at that image,,
I will look in the morning thru my pictures ,he has altered that head! there has been new damage to that unit!

Also Bridge that head was a special unit I have received that from a well known member here on the board,,,which may be disclosed

Also a review of the Blue laser from bridge is coming

PLEASE PM ME if you would like to know where and who that PM-10 came from

[Lasernerd]

Bridge is very mean!
He accused me of no stand and no batteries!
the stand is built on to the back!! He said he can not put batteries in it??? umm hello one philips head screw and taa daa!
It takes a regular 12 volt wall wart supply nothing special

Hmmm,could you be upset because i did not do a review of my laser LASER-WAVE 473 Blue ,,,well i will! horrible beam specs. beam shoots out at a angle pictures and details soon
and will be varified at PaCoLEM

[Lasernerd]

I have pictures with serial numbers

before i post these i need to talk too a few peeps here

[lasersbee]

Damn.................. That's a long read...

Jerry

[buffo]

Holy crap....

Both of you need to calm down. Big time. Also, I'm not really comfortable reading every single *private* message between you two. Bridge, that's really not necessary, or appropriate.

OK - so you made a deal to trade a power meter and a head for a blue laser. Now you think the power meter is damaged. Have you actually tested it to see if this is the case? Can you prove that the power meter is defective? Because I'm inclined to believe LaserNerd when he says that a thermal power meter shouldn't be affected by a small scratch like that.

Also, is there any chance the damage happened during shipping? And was it insured? Oh wait - you had him declare it as only being worth $50. That's not smart when it's really worth nearly $2000...

Bottom line - you *both* should have sent pictures back and forth to each other of the items you wanted to trade *before* any final deal was made. That way there wouldn't be any mix-up.

Bridge, there is some question about the performance of that blue laser that was sent. You didn't address that in your post.

Lasernerd, there seems to be more damage to the head than I saw in the pictures you posted in your original thread. Did you send him a different head than you had listed? And what about the "made in 1998" sticker. How could it only have a couple hours use on it if it's 11 years old?

Need some facts here, not more private messages. Does the power meter work as advertised? Does the blue laser perform as advertised? And worst case, would it be better to return everything to each other and just go your separate ways?

Adam

[Lasernerd]

The Meter is brand new!
the power head is used,


Lasernerd, there seems to be more damage to the head than I saw in the pictures you posted in your original thread. Did you send him a different head than you had listed? And what about the "made in 1998" sticker. How could it only have a couple hours use on it if it's 11 years old?


That is the exact head as i pictured! it looks way different now!

the LPM itself is brand new,,I ran it thru checks etc. so i say 2 hours of use..fair?


I sent many pictures to bridge

[buffo]

Ok - so the meter itself is new, and the sensing head is 11 years old. That clears up that confusion. Admittedly though, I thought everything was new, based on your listing.

Bridge - were you aware of this when you set the deal up? (If not, then that might be grounds for sending everything back.)

Now, what about the damage to the head? Does it impair the function of the meter, Bridge? Have you tested it? (You should have several others that you can test it against - you actually sell power meters!) So how about a report about how the meter works? If it still works fine, then there shouldn't be any problem.

Finally, what about the blue laser that was received in trade? Bridge, was it disclosed that it had a TEM01 beam? Mark, were you aware of this? (And again, if not - then this might be grounds for sending everything back as well.)

Come on people - work this out. It's not hard. You just need to be willing to admit where you might have goofed, and you also need to give a little.

Or, you can throw your hands in the air and send everything back to each other. But that seems silly at this point, doesn't it?

Adam

[Lasernerd]

Yes i did say he power heads are used!

No he did not say anything to me about the Laser-Wave Blue beam quality,,he just said a very nice laser,,
I am cool with the laser,I cannot expect Viasho quality from everyone!

I have also offered him several times a un-sctratched power head




Lasernerd
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Laser Ben
If that is in fact new, that is a decent price. It is $1499 with the detector from Coherent.

pretty sure that is the price without the puck,,
the PM10 is 850$ list,,but as stated it is a used puck in great condition included!
__________________

[buffo]

I have also offered him several times a un-sctratched power head

Well, if he ships the one he has back to you, will you ship him the unscratched head? If so, then the problem is solved, yes?

Just need to hear from Bridge...

Adam

[Lasernerd]

Well, if he ships the one he has back to you, will you ship him the unscratched head? If so, then the problem is solved, yes?

Just need to hear from Bridge...

Adam

Yes sir!!
i have offered that to him several times!

[lasersbee]

From the pics of the heads on this thread... some of the "scratches" look like
high power laser beam burns... and some do not....IMO


Jerry

[Lasernerd]

From the pics of the heads on this thread... the "scratches" look like
high power laser beam burns... IMO


Jerry

yes they do!
and some look like scratches right in the center!!
there is NO way I would have shipped bridge a bad unit! That one SPECIAL power head came from someone on this board a well known person! he knows it well..If this persists i will ask him to come forward

I will not do a review of his Laser-Wave (Bridge) product he got pissed off!

[gottaluvlasers]

ok...

let me try to possibly interject here.

Mark, you do pose some valid points. and also, bridge does. I know bridge is VERY upset over this trade. He feels and to some extent i agree with him, that he may have gotten slighted. now, before you go balistic, please listen...

1. the listing for the meter and head was a little misleading. mark, you seem like a stand up guy and i am in NO WAY placing any blame or saying you did anything to deceive or otherwise lie about the meter trade. but the sale/trade specifics did lead to some pretty broad and general assumptions. even as i read the communications and original thread i would have assumed and been under the impression that i was getting a NEW meter and a NEW head. i know you said it was used, but then you state only ~2 hours of use. well, 1998 is a long time ago. 2 hours of use in a matter of 11 years is alot for me to swallow. or anyone for that matter. and you also need to conseder the fact that this *IS* from 1998. therefore, depreciated. wheter 1 hour of use or 1,000 hours of use.

if i buy a 2009 car i expect to pay full *NEW* car prices. if i buy a 1998 car with only 2 miles on it its still going to be DRASTICALLY less. you should not compare a used meter (no matter how many hours) to the price of a brand new selling one. i understand your point that these are very high end meters (no one is doubting that) but the fact of the matter is that it IS used and i think that that fact was somehow lost in the communications back and forth.

the head scratches i also think should have been disclosed to bridge (or anyone who purchased/traded) the meter. i dont think accusing bridge of purposely scratching the head was a fair attack. in my eyes, that was a low blow. this has NOTHING to do with me being a distributor also and just "siding with him cuz i work with him". i (and you can ask) said i would not write ANYTHING or take ANY sides with ANYONE until i saw any and all correspondences. so, this can not be considered me being biased at all. i DO feel bridge was erroneous in some of his assumptions also. and i will address those in a second. if i, in essence, spent ~$3,000 for a meter and head (value of the laser you traded for) i would have wanted and expected a PERFECT head and meter. and not something from 1998. (or at least disclosed before hand that it was form 1998) Saying something has 2 hours of use on it would lead me to believe that it was relatively new. (year tops!). NOT over a decade old!!

NOW-

Bridge, i think posting of the entire emails and PM's were distasteful. i understand your frustration, but i was under the impression that you were going to just post "relevant info" regarding the facts of the trades. i think it could have been handled a little more professionally than that.

mark, bluee DPSS lasers almost all of the time have offset beams exiting from the aperture. if it is jellybeaning, than that is an issue that should be addressed. but again, the attacks going back and forth here really should NOT be escalated this much.

bridge, i wish i was aware of what you were going to post before hand. i would have told you not to post ENTIRE emails/PM's. i would have tried to edit out and quote just the pertinent information which pertained to the facts of this trade going bad.

in my honest opinion, i dont think EITHER bridge NOR Mark did anything to PURPOSELY deceive the other. i think that 95% of the negative outcome of this trade came becasue of #1- the misleading (not intentional misleading) description of the products at hand. #2- the back and forth and back and forth and back and forth correspondences with different options and different ipgrades and possible other trades and possible this's and possible that's. #3- the Language barrier. i honestly think alot of this assuming and interpretations of what should be expected may have been "lost in translation."

i propose the following-

1. delete this thread completely. i dont think EITHER person deserves some of the accusations that are being tossed around here. you are BOTH respected members of this community.

2. if both parties are still dissatisfied with the trade then Mark...send me the blue laser to send back to bridge. and bridge- send me the meter to send back to mark. i will play "middleman" to make sure both parties receive their property. (or you can choose a different third party. i really dont care).

3. if both bridge and mark are in agreement, then keep each others property and assume the trade as complete and a matter of a learning experience to maybe involve a third party when dealing with higher valued trades. ESPECIALLY with a language/communiction barrier. if this is the route taken, then EVERYONE should assume that this trade has been completed SUCCESSFULLY and that the parties involved agreed to disagree.

4. i think maybe BOTH should publically apologize for some of the "trashing" that took place. NEITHER of you deserve that. fustration and emotions ESPECIALLY on a forum like ours should never get to a point where a persons reputation is harmed over something as silly as misunderstandings or minor disagreements.

bridge and mark...

i think you 2 should talk PRIVATELY through either PM or email for a day or so. see if you can work this out. i think this can very easily come to a happy ending if calm heads prevail!! youre both good men, and both have very good reputations here. lets not get all crazy over something as "fixable" as a diststeful trade.

-Marc

[Lasernerd]

Hello Marc,

The Actual Coherent TOP Laser power meter is new not from 1998.I sent Bridge several pictures of it all,
Even the extra components i have sent him to sweeten the output power of the laser (473nm)!
China held the delivery for some time(2 weeks)So Bridge says?cannot confirm actual delivery, ,surprises me that he did not say is my fault too!

I have offered several times to replace the power head.

I am doing my best to make people happy!

I must say again that damage to the center of that puck was not there when I shipped it!

[gottaluvlasers]

what does bridge have a picture of from 1998? its the head right? or is it the meter? the cal sticker says 1998 also.

the scratches in the middle may have been overllooked prior to shipping. i know for a fact bridge ould not have purposely scrateched the head to prove a point.

again, in my opinion, these are minor issues that can be dealt with. perhaps ship me the new head (i will confirm with bridge or he can confirm here) and i will have bridge send me the scratched head...??

lets work this out.

-Marc

[Lasernerd]

what does bridge have a picture of from 1998? its the head right? or is it the meter? the cal sticker says 1998 also.

the scratches in the middle may have been overllooked prior to shipping. i know for a fact bridge ould not have purposely scrateched the head to prove a point.

again, in my opinion, these are minor issues that can be dealt with. perhaps ship me the new head (i will confirm with bridge or he can confirm here) and i will have bridge send me the scratched head...??

lets work this out.

-Marc

That is the power head dongle,

I will be more than happy to replace the power head as soon as I receive the (issue) power head

[buffo]

Really surprised that Bridge hasn't answered yet. (He's logged on several times since this was posted.)

But Marc (Gottaluvlasers, that is), I agree with what you are saying. I, too, thought the meter and head was brand new. However, Mark (that is, LaserNerd) was absolutely correct - his listing does say "used head". We both missed that one.

Having said that, I seriously doubt that those scratches will affect the usability of the meter. One PL member even mentioned that he used to hold a lit cigarette lighter to the face of one of those detectors to cover it in soot to get more consistent readings. If it can withstand that sort of abuse, a little surface scratch isn't going to harm it.

Besides, LaserNerd has agreed to replace the head with a different one (presumably in better condition). So at this point Bridge needs to decide what he wants to do.

Bridge?

Adam

[allthatwhichis]

I am lurking on this one but Bridge stated in his first post he was not going to reply here in the thread.

...from Bridge's view, we just want to tell people truth and we don't like and had time dispute with someone, so I only put this threads,I won't reply this threads, if the man want to do something, please write with factual evidence, I am sure, all of you from the email between us will know the truth and gain yourself conclusion exactly, truth is always truth, no need more word...

[buffo]

Seems rather unfair to post 3 pages worth of e-mails and then say that it's not open for discussion anymore, doesn't it?

I mean, if you're going to drag your dirty laundry into the open for everyone to see, then isn't it wholly inappropriate to just walk away from it when a solution is offered? Why bring it into the open in the first place then?

Adam

[Laser Ben]

I personally do not think that it is wrong to say that he does not want to talk about the issue. Additionally, the fact that Mark only offered to send a new head if Bridge sent back the old one first was bad. Also, what the hell is a "matched set" the meter and the head are completely different. You buy them separate and they have nothing to do with an individual set.

[Laser Ben]

Additionally, can this thread be moved to the Seller Review forum?

[buffo]

I personally do not think that it is wrong to say that he does not want to talk about the issue.

Well, if a person wishes to air an issue in the court of public opinion, they really need to be willing to discuss it. Otherwise why post it? Just to hurl insults? Defame their character? That's not cool.

I know that if I made a public claim that someone ripped me off and then that someone decided to make good on the deal, I'd damn sure be talking about it. To do anything else would be unreasonable. (As in, why would I bitch about it in the first place if I didn't want a solution!)

You're not actually suggesting that Bridge has the right to remain ripped off, rather than getting what he deserves, are you?

the fact that Mark only offered to send a new head if Bridge sent back the old one first was bad.

Uh.. If I buy a laser from you, and I claim that it's dead on arrival, are you going to send me a replacement laser BEFORE I send the bad one back to you? I think not... Expecting the bad one to be returned first is standard practice...

Also, what the hell is a "matched set" the meter and the head are completely different. You buy them separate and they have nothing to do with an individual set.

I assume "matched" means that the head will work with the meter. What's the point? Are you saying that they're not "matched" in some way? Is it impossible to buy this meter with this head, either separately or together?

The issue is that the head appears to be scratched. No one has yet posted anything to suggest that this is an OPERATIONAL problem. But even if it is, Mark has agreed to replace it with another one. So what is the problem?

This is madness. I've received 4 separate PM's over this issue, and I still don't see what the big deal is.

Adam

EDIT: Make that *5* PM's....

Additionally, can this thread be moved to the Seller Review forum?

Good point. It really belongs there, and not in the lounge.