For what it's worth...

[dsli_jon]

Hey fle -

while I can see your point, things have changed a bit from "what frequencies did you have on the oscillators?"

so I have no issue sharing my discoveries as a lot of other people dont either...

I think you missed his 'point' - I'm gonna 'change the story' a bit to see if I can make it (and make sure I didn't 'miss the point' either... ) - What if - instead of 'calling out' to "Write it down... write it down...", Sam - walked-over to Darryl - and said: "hey, that's really cool! How are you getting that?" and OBSERVED / WROTE DOWN FOR HIMSELF the 'settings'?...

...And if you retort, 'well, maybe Sam was 'busy'...well in this 'story', I'd venture that the only thing 'Sam' would have been 'busy-with', at this moment would-have-been downing his third martini - and possibly-even, out of some 'broad's navel' vs a glass... - but So What - even if he WAS 'busy', the point is - HE didn't make the EFFORT to GO and discover / explore it himself - he wanted Darryl to do the 'work' - and then - as sooo many
" Managers " -do, (or, really, ANYone who has not EARNED thier 'stripes' yet, thru experience...) just stand-back and bathe in the adulation / benefits (and probably, 'broads'...).

I'm not saying / implying EF / you are doing that - but, I think you'll find, that that 'attitude of entitlement' (ok, I bought 'Pangolin' and laser and galvo, now gimme everything I can't 'buy'...) 'Sam' showed in the story, is what tends to 'grate' on the folks upon whos backs - we're ALL 'standing-on'...

one thing i have noticed amongst the "elite laserists" is this whole "hoarding" of information... i would not consider myself to be up there, or anywhere near, the "great" laserists...

OK - I'll say the same thing to you I said to EF - from my perspective - this is 'offensive' - from the persepective of every 'seasoned laserist' (5-10 yrs+) I know, NO ONE considers themselves 'elite' - NO ONE!!!

Do you know who Scott Anderson is? No, probably not. Well, he is the laserist responsible for much of the award-winning - heck, forget award-winning - MIND BLOWING, TEAR-JERKING, LIFE-ALTERING laser animations / abstracts / fx and shows done at Laser Images / Laserium - - and you'd NEVER KNOW IT, meeting him. The guy is TOTALLY humble and the coolest, most down to earth guy you'd ever wanna meet. And the same-goes for Steve Shapiro, Tim Barrett, Brian, etc, etc - what I LEARN from these guys - with 10+ years on me (and I have been doing shows for 17 years) is humility. THEY are the 'quiet' ones...

So, calling seasoned laserists "elite" - and in "quotes", which implies you're "quoting them" / ascribing to them that THEY have / project that 'attitude' - is offensive, in my book. Especially coming from the 'relative' n00bs here (ie: you don't have 15+ years working with lasers / doing shows, am I right? - yet I know that what you know about programming - that I don't - could probably fill a small room - - and yet, I don't 'insult' you by referring to you or others, as a 'h4x0r', just because you know programming)

And just because someone IS a 'storehouse' of info, does NOT make them a 'hoarder' of info - is Steve Roberts an 'elitist hoarder' of info, in your mind??

Can you see my point? OR have I 'completely misunderstood you', too, and your comments were really just all-about respecting / showing appreciation for those backs, upon which even you are standing? Please, clarify WHO you are talking about, so we don't have to go down the same 'path of misunderstanding', if you are really only talking about ONE Co. (vs truly making a broadband statement, as you have...)

j

[Laser Wizardry]

" 15 characters"

[Laserman532]

All right, you asked for it...this was the first thing that came to mind. Everybody but me is full of shit!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qpB3ME_Xem0

[laserist]

There are several things required to understand something: the question, the answer, and for complex systems a hierarchy that relates everything involved in the question, in the answer, and all the hidden assumptions...

About 15 years ago the guy that did production planning where I work decided he really didn't want to do production planning anymore. My boss asked me to take over the position. After giving me 15 minutes of training on the Manufacturing Resource Planning (MRP) software the guy bolted. It was an interesting in a scary sort of way. We build military optical instruments, and the MRP software calculates how many of what we need to make and/or buy to make our deliveries. We had about 30,000 parts and bills of materials that often ran 9 layers deep. I wanted to understand the software, so I read a couple of books and there was this description of how this particular MRP code was written. I read it half a dozen times, and finally decided it was just so much bullshit. Since I didn't have a warm fuzzy feeling about the software I ended up writing my own code. About 5000 lines later I had code that produced the same numbers as the original package. Then one day I ran across that description and read it one more time. Funny thing, after I knew how to write MRP code - I finally understood how they said it was done…

[laserist]

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- and possibly-even, out of some 'broad's navel' vs a glass... - but So What - even if he WAS 'busy', the point is - HE didn't make the EFFORT to GO and discover / explore it himself - he wanted Darryl to do the 'work' - and then - as sooo many
" Managers " -do, (or, really, ANYone who has not EARNED thier 'stripes' yet, thru experience...) just stand-back and bathe in the adulation / benefits (and probably, 'broads'...).
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Wait a minute! I never got invited to any of those parties!

[Laserman532]

Wait a minute! I never got invited to any of those parties!

Brian, I know you can write code and everything but...you didnt get invited to ALL parties.

Mitch and John (not dsli_jon) and I ran through the streets of Miami going from titty bar to titty bar putting Big Green Glowing Glow Buttons that say "yag laser" on all of the dancers...shall we say...parts... as a special effect. NOW TOP THAT! We are laserist in the purest sense of the word.

I know you can see john doing that, but you probably couldnt see mitch doing that...I have a way of bringing out the best in people.

[dsli_jon]

Hey Karl -

...Good to hear from ya Bro...

wait.... I'm in Arizona, thats my two pesos.

Don't you mean 'dos centavos'?

Wait a minute! I never got invited to any of those parties!

Haha - well, I've only been told a few of the 'stories' of some of the 'parties', including things like, 'lines being done off the tops of roadcases'...and I guess I 'extrapolated' from there......you know how a laserists' imagination works...

Mitch and John...and I ran through the streets of Miami...

LOL - Hartmann and Tilp?? Wow, that's hilarious... Now I am going to have to scour the 'Laser Rays' folder I found while moving last month for P I C T U R E S...

peace...
j

[Laserman532]

somewhere you will find a pic of me and john in a Cessna Citation Jet, rollin with the rock stars. I could tell you about beaver beamin but we will save that for another time

people take them selves too seriously, party on garth, party on wayne, fuck all this im better than you and blah blah blah. We are all ants.

[laserist]

Brian, I know you can write code and everything but...you didnt get invited to ALL parties.

Mitch and John (not dsli_jon) and I ran through the streets of Miami going from titty bar to titty bar putting Big Green Glowing Glow Buttons that say "yag laser" on all of the dancers...shall we say...parts... as a special effect. NOW TOP THAT! We are laserist in the purest sense of the word.

I know you can see john doing that, but you probably couldnt see mitch doing that...I have a way of bringing out the best in people.

Richard and I just came back to the shop from dinner and Scott and Darryl were in Studio A choreographing Dark Side of the Moon. Richard looked at me and said, "We should just lock those two in there." I said, "Well sure, except the lock is on the inside." Richard came right back with, "Well, we could nail a 4x8 foot sheet of plywood across the doorway…" I said, "And we just happened to have several pieces back in the machine shop…" So we assembled the paraphernalia required for the deed, including a ladder so when they got out - we would be safely atop the Studio where it would take a while to get at us. So we nailed up the plywood and climbed up the ladder, and pulling it up after us. About ten minutes later they quit for the night. They tried to exit the studio and saw the plywood. They laughed and called out, "OK guys take it down." Imagine stifled laughter here. By my watch it took them 10 minutes to beat that piece of plywood into submission using the implements of destruction available. Their weapon of choice was the lid to a small road case. When they finally attained their freedom they made a half hearted and fruitless attempt to find us. Then they set the alarm system and went home. After waiting the required "aha avoidance" interval we climbed down and started to clean up the splintered plywood, and saw that our comrades had minimal fine motor control at the end of a long day. They had also beaten the drywall into confessing that something eventful had happened. Richard looked at the portal and said, "No… This will never do." I said, "Well we also have joint compound back in the machine shop…" So we spackled over the damage, and went down to Studio S for a few beers. We gave it a second coat of spackled later, and the next morning at about 6am we sanded, repainted the wall, and dried it with a heat gun. About 9am I came around the corner to see Scott standing in front of the doorway - just - looking at it. He looked up and saw me - he looked a little confused - and then he walked into the studio.

Not a word was said till years later. Somebody here said, "I ran into an old buddy of yours up in Boston. Darryl Davis…" I said, "You got his number?" So I called and in the course of our conversation I said, "I guess I owe you an apology for when Richard and I nailed you and Scott into Studio A way back when. He said, "I thought it was you guys. Actually I thought it was kinda funny, but Scott was pissed!"

[dsli_jon]

somewhere you will find a pic of me and john in a Cessna Citation Jet, rollin with the rock stars.

...and Oh, I'm-a-gonna look for it!!!

I could tell you about beaver beamin but we will save that for another time

Why wait?? ...as 'Boston' sang to us: "...and tomorrow could be too-laaaate..."

...in Studio A choreographing Dark Side of the Moon.

Oh man - LOL - great story, Brian! ...Now I am going to have to modify the 'laser credits' at the end of DSOTM:

- Studio Gremlins: Brian W. and Richard G.

j