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Then just start a thread in the lounge " how I feel about Jon" and keep all the off topic shit out of threads that usually contain good stuff. Are you sure all your lasers don't roll off the table? You seem very childish. Please start a new thread to respond how you don;t like me also. thanks good day ~Originally Posted by ElektroFreak
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Also remember earlier you even asked (solicited opinions) if you should take this elsewhere and were told to start a different thread.
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Don't know about the 'laid back' part, but thanks Marc.
My issue with Jon stems from multiple conversations with him going south. In fact, nearly every time we speak, it's only him telling me about how my opinions suck, mostly because they involve my perception of actions by him or others. It's not an unpredictable response, to be sure. No one likes to hear it when people disagree with their views. It always ends up with me being told I should keep my opinions to myself in one way or another. Consequently, I try to remind him how I feel about him based on these interactions. Maybe I could keep my mouth shut, but that's not the kind of guy I am. I'm sure he's a great guy in person, but our experiences so far would seem to indicate that we don't gel well. I'll never keep my opinions of things to myself, and he'll never stop being pretentious towards me because I disagree with his views and so here we are.
Maybe Jon could fill in the blanks.
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Are you gonna be ok man? I mean, I'd hate to think I made someone mad enough to call me names on the internetz. LOL you guys crack me up... g'night now folks.
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I don't fail to see the irony in this statement!
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'Evenin, Pat!...
Wooip! Wooip! Wooip!SSumption-alert!!! The *real* reason that I don't (well, rarely-do) post pix of 'systems I've designed and built', is that #1, I DON'T want-to appear or come-across as 'showing-off' - in-fact, the reason why I rarely will-post pix of shows-done, either...Usually, it is to offer an idea / share a 'tip', etc... even if I am 'proud' of some work, it's pretty-rare I'll post it, unless 'just for fun' or relevant to some other thread... at 'worst', 'intent' is to only 'inspire' / add-to the great 'fire' that is already-here...
#2, for every pic I *could* post of my / our 'werk', here, there's 5 other PL-members, whos' werk makes even my best work look like tinkertoys! ie: 1 2 3 4 , need I keep-going? Why do you think I spend so much valuable-time, HERE, dude??? to get 'compliments'???Pthptppth, FAIL! TO LEARN FROM OTHERS!!... I'm pretty-sure that's why 99% of PL's members are-here...
#3, there are, in-fact, a few 'competitors' of ours, that visit-PL, and really, I don't need to offer any 'justification' for not posting pix of DSLS' designs, here (which, btw, are mostly simple 'variants' or built-off of designs of the TRUE geniuses of the laser-show industry, MOST of whom are too humble the 'show' their stuff, as much as they-could, either...)
...Buuut, just so you know I'm not 'full of guano', have a look at my couple 'albums' under my profile (haven't had the time to do a 'proper' gallery...) for some of my 'basement-days', and then you can go click thru these...(redacted)...Again... really nothin 'special', and I can't recall EVER saying or 'fronting', otherwise... Compliant-designs, good-craftsmanship, and great-results, that is all I will ever 'give' DSLS....just the fact's ma'am...
..Sooo, I think you might need a 'new gag', there...
Hahahaha! Oh, boy - thanks for that, Pat! - that was a really good laugh!I think you could save yourself a LOT of your self-feeding frustration by learning to READ MORE CAREFULLY. ...Where in the smack did I SAY I / we OWNED the 'C-8'?
... about my 'pretentious-motives' for posting those pix here, and all your related / spin-off-assumptions about me / what my motives are / off-the-shelf-buyer -vs- scratch-builder theories, blah, blah, blah - and roll-it up, put it in your pipe, and smoke it.Richard.
Nah, not really... What about the guy who bought a Ferrari - WITH his 'scratch-build'... is he a douchebag?? http://www.photonlexicon.com/forums/...1897#post41897
OK, #1, we've never actually 'spoken' - only via this admittedly-flawed form of 'communication'; #2, I've never 'pretended to be something I'm NOT', towards you or anyone else... I add what I *can* to this community, 'FWIW', and nothing more... no 'alterior motives', no secret agendas, and, certainly-no 'secret conspiracies' with the CDRH / ILDA to 'quash competition'...
...but - like you, and everyone else, here - I am free to comment on what I feel the need to express my feelings / opinions-on, whenever and however I react to-it - some are better at more 'tempered-replies' than others, but, in the end, if you're simply upset because I REFUSE to 'bow-down' to YOU, and your opinions, well, so-rry... if you can't take it, then don't 'dish it out'....
OK, we've been thru this before... I have Publically Apologized, if I somehow offended you, at least once, and - as you, yourself suggested in this thread - was content to simply have you take your 'beef' with Steve's discretion, elsewhere, and not 'further derail' the purpose and intent of this thread... but you seem to continue to need-to make insinuating / motives-questioning posts... and for-what??? Especially, when 99% of your 'suppositions' were / are just-plain wrong.
later, taco...
j
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Was it really worth it to type all that crap when you know I could care less? Why bother to take the time? You know I'm just trying to get rise out of you... Damn, I can't say that I've ever said outright to someone that I don't like them, I don't care what they have to say and I'm trying to screw with them and still had to explain even more. I just don't give a crap anymore..
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You know, you people act like in order for me to become a serious professional in this field I need to be a member of the little "family" here. What a load of shit! I don't EVER have to meet ANYONE here face to face if that how I choose things to be, and what little desire I might have had to meet people here has dwindled to almost less than nothing. I can continue my own experimentation without being active here at all, after all everything I know I learned on my own.. I designed and built my first projector well before I was ever a member here, and I can continue to design more without speaking to a soul here. I'll be starting any business related to laser shows by myself, without help from ANYONE here. Believe it or not there are many other resources pertaining to lasers, and I doubt that ILDA is going to reject my payment of dues when the time comes because some people here take their internet existence too seriously. It really is amazing how independent thought and actions can lead to good results when you take time to independently learn, and the most beautiful part is that you don't ever have to conform to what any other human being desires of you. So Jon et al. please take any opinions you have about me and stick them where the sun don't shine 'cause I sure couldn't give a crap in the slightest. Really. After all, I'm not aware of any forum rule that states that I have to even remotely like a single person here or act like it. I'm not exploding here or cursing uncontrollably, I'm just stating how things are.
Jon you're just pissed because what I might have to say goes against what you think it should. After our extremely unpleasant first encounter, I have had nothing but dislike for you and your ridiculous, insincere excuse for an apology. Anything I've said to you since then has been fueled only by that dislike, I could care less what you think of me.. Steve, while unlike Jon I hold you in high regard, I know that I posted thoughts recently about my feelings concerning your action to limit access to the new blue diodes, or try to make it so that only people you deem fit could get them. Of course I'm not going to subscribe to that kind of crap. If my inability to bend to a shape that you people find pleasing is a problem, that's just tough titties. You're asking me to alter my views to coincide with what I find to be unacceptable. That will never happen. Oh and the guy who built the laser system AND bought the Ferrari ain't you Jon. I've got no beef with Pat. What does he have to do with this discussion anyway?
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I know that I posted thoughts recently about my feelings concerning your action to limit access to the new blue diodes, or try to make it so that only people you deem fit could get them.
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Electrofreak:
...When I was 18 back in 1988, I could not easily buy OEM laser parts. I got told I had to buy hene heads, instead of bare tubes. Why? Congress said so. Manufacturers had to put serial numbers on every plasma tube and maintain lists of the initial buyer. Why? So they could be recalled if there was a hazard or if misused. Makers of commercial lasers had to, and still have to, with a exception for pointers and certain consumer devices.
They still do, the law has not changed.
...Since your little excursion into bulk resale of the harvested Casio diodes was distribution of a large quantity of class IV lasers, without the US required labeling requirements, record keeping, etc You violated the law. Get off your damn high horse. I'm not the only one who has said this.
...Your damn straight I that I don't want my neighbors 12 year old kid having access to a 1 watt diode for $50 or 200$. Your damn straight that I don't want to walk into a club and get hit in the eye with 1 watt of static beam. Hell, walking into the local music store and getting hit, at eye level, with unexpected static 200+ mW was bad enough.
....Certain rules, regulations, and laws exist based on the learning experience of prior generations. Radiation safety has became a joke in the past 10 years, so we will have to live through the learning experience once again. Mark my words, as diodes start to follow Moore's law, incidents WILL, and already, are, happening. Just because there is no reporting mechanism in the US, does not mean that incidents are not happening. Anecdotal evidence is slowly starting to show up for incidents with static beams.
I openly admitted I wanted the damn things restricted, and that was NO reason for you to hijack my thread for your unlimited, lengthy, rants. I put up with it once, I will not again.
...You are not going to limit my posting here, and you are not going to destroy any of my future threads. I have bent over backwards to stay civil in this venue, but I can easily become the 350 pound silverback Gorilla in the room.
...You are not some "defender" of "laser freedom", the rules are already on the books and have been enforced in the past.
... If I can lobby to have the rules enforced, I will. OH wait, I DID. Its not like I was NOT open about it, either. You'll have to take my word for it, but I lobbied that legit, varianced, laser show use and hobby/educational use needs to be retained, its quasi production sales such as yours and illegal imports to the gneral public that I lobbied against. Did I have tens of thousands of dollars so I could get the law changed, no. But did I pick up the phone,yes. My right to do so is constitutional.
What is not legal or moral (As well as defacto not constitutional) is unlimited use of a high power device in public, with unsuspecting recipients. Even a libertarian will tell you that infringes on the rights of others. What you do to yourself is unlimited, until it has effects on me. Want to kill yourself, fine! As long as I don't have to pay taxes to care for your orphaned kids, widowed wife, and potters field for your burial. But when you place others at risk, you have just broken the social contract and are infringing their rights.
You do not need 1 watt laser pens at Walmart or at your kid's junior high school.
Example of how it gets out of control:
Long before diode pointers existed, I took a HENE to high school for my physics teacher to borrow. I carried it around all day, as it would not fit in my stuffed locker. At our school, locks were assigned and there were only about 5 different lock codes, anyways. So physical custody was a good idea, so I thought.
Well, in Gym class, my pals grabbed the laser, went up on the balcony, and decided that long distance laser probing measurement of various portions of female anatomy were in order. Oh, did I get in trouble, for that one. Not just a trip to the main office, but a lot of social trouble. (Sorry Amy! Sorry Jen! Sorry Ellie! ) At .85 mW of 633, and a 110V cord, not much of a issue. But today they could do that at a watt in a 6 inch package off a lithium cell. So don't tell me the &*^$& general public is ready for hand held use of high power lasers and nothing will happen. In 1988 nobody, outside of a small user community, had a clue about anything laser other then bar code scanners, and today the general public still does not.
Did I know better, yes, my dad made me read, memorize, explain, and sign the laser safety instruction book before I took the unit in. Did I exercise a reasonable standard of care, no.. Did it get my buddy Stevie D a date, yes.. Did it get me anywhere but massively henpecked for the next few weeks, no,... Did it have a social impact, yes. Did I run up the stairs and shut the damn thing off, fast enough, No. I was out of the gym when this started, back stage setting up for a event. Did I try to "illuminate" one young lady, yes. (So sorry Julie C.!)
...If it were not a private school, my ass would have been expelled and I would have been right back into the drug infested dump of my local school district. If that would have happened, I would have never made it to college. Instead, the principal, a physicist, got a kick out of the whole mess and adjusted the penalty. Private religious schools have, shall we say, some " unique" punishments. I still have the hene, at its rock solid at .80 mW.
So don't tell me these "minor" things do not have impacts. And dont give me some pseudo " liberty to do whatever you want" speech, the world does not work that way.
I learn from my mistakes. I have to, because if I screw up, people get hurt. That is the nature of the applied technology business. I have to have the foresight to see the potential impacts, and the skills to cope with the ones I miss. Part of that means keeping a eye on my fellow technologists, and praying that they keep a watchful eye on me.
"No man is an island, entire of itself...any man's death diminishes me, because I am involved in mankind; and therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls; it tolls for thee."
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Still coming to MIDLEM? actually was looking forward to chatting in person to see how much the keyboards skew things.
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