I had a good time...

[ElektroFreak]

Well, ya see, Mr High-Horse...this is where that 'experience' comes-in... experience would not 'allow' you TO buy it, until you had thouroughy 'done your homework', even to the extent-of blowing a good-chunk of $$ for a 'rental' to actually try it out, in the field - and especially, under such 'demanding' conditions, as outdoors - with rain / high-humidity...So, the 'experienced' would-never buy such an item, until it was proved, indeed, it was the best you could-buy for your hard-earned $$, knowhatimean?...

...Even-so...



There isn't ONE Sho Co in the WORLD that has not - at some-point - had SOMEthing take a show down, at least below the 'planned-level' of perfection... It is, in-fact, impossible to have EVERY unforseen-eventuality covered...

In this-projects' case, every Contracted-item was executed perfectly, to the letter... It was only-when the interim-Client went 'off the ranch', and his extracurricular request could-not be acheved fast-enough to placate the (already) impatient end-Client, who had been drug thru the rain (against our advice...) to see this-all...

The extra, end-of-demo items were achieved / delivered, simply not fast-enough for the rain-soaked billionaires to hang-out and see them, live... But the interim Client got several minutes of both HD stills and video, so, in 'post' they got everything they paid-for... and a good-deal more...

I guess I'm just a little confused at, where, exactly, you are 'coming from' with your 'points', in this thread...don't you think you're 'preachin to the choir', just a little-bit, here??



Y-yeah, just imagine...

Attachment 18489...(this was the 'boring-part'...)

j

PS - 'DSLI' is a tiny 'drop in the bucket', and I know it - but that's just fine... I'd rather have a 'sniper-team' than a 'giant, bloated-army', anyday...just so you know where I am comin-from...

Where I'm comin' from Jon, is that I (on my VERY high horse, for sure) will be impressed when you design some systems of your own, build them yourself, get them varianced and use THEM for your shows like so many of us hobbyists and semi-pros do. Maybe you already do that too, but I haven't seen it. Look, I'm real happy you've got the experience and cash to throw around, but I'm even more impressed by every single handmade system built by every single hobbyist on this board than I am with your high-dollar toys that us simple folk can't even get unless we stick our tongues up someone's ass somewhere.. It's the same reason that I have orders of magnitude more respect for a guy who spend summers with his kids building a '32 Ford coupe than I do for some douchebag who went out and bought a Ferrari. See what I'm sayin? So it's great that you play with the big dogs, and it's great that you're awesome and all, but me? I could give a rat's ass about that. Instead give me hobbyists and their hard work, innovation, and desire to do this not to show off how great they are, but to have fun and contribute knowledge and their experiences here, to other hobbyists..

[mixedgas]

Electrofreak,

..I can testify that Jon hand builds his own world class beamtables, I used one for a weekend.
Damn fine sheet metal work and very compact. 8 position beam table with double turrents and a scan head in less then 30 inches. No milling machine, just a tabletop shear, aircraft shears, and a dremel tool. In other words hand work with a sharp scribe and a good eye. And yes, if you look closely, some ripples in the edges, but it was one of the easiest to use, compact projectors I've ever seen.

He does not use megadollar hardware for most gigs. Full Auto and a ancient Touch Pad for the most part.

....He started out at the same time I did at the same LFX conferences I did and worked his way up from hobbyist just like I did. Hes trained as a professional graphic artist, and his artwork is hand rotoscoped and fabtastic.

....He started out at zlich in his garage, as did most "professionals". He may not seem like it on line, but he's a very modest, down to earth guy when you work with him, and he thinks of his crew, You get decent shelter, food, and a bar tab when the work is done. He's one of the few guys I know that pick up water and ice pre gig. He plans ahead and doesn't yell. Hell he took a Cot for 4 days and gave Carlos and I the bed's in the room. It speaks volumes for a person if I offer them my bed when I'm on the road, and I did. He still took the cot. We'd get in at midnight or 1 Am or 3 AM and he'd start right in on emails and digitizing the next gig.

Plus, he freely gives to the hobbyist community, the Skeeta Skrim invention is brilliant, and most folks would have considered that a major trade secret, but yet its out there.

I think you got him all wrong!

... I'm sorry you have this chip on your shoulder about people who make money with lasers, but I assure you its hard work, with low returns. There is no conspiracy barring your entry, and only one varianced laserist in the immediate ST Louis area, I know him, I partially trained him, and he DJs weddings and parties, and you could easily beat him at his game if you tried. So how about ditching the chip on your shoulder and get out there and do something, even if its just a freebie show for a school or church or the scouts or something. Your starting to sound like a hypocrite if not down right whacko nuts.

Please lighten up and go do some lasing.

Steve

[ElektroFreak]

Hmm, great that's amazing. I'm still sticking with the hobbyists (and other pros) who with limited funds and expertise have contributed volumes of knowledge and worthwhile experience here that other hobbyists with our limited funds and expertise can put to use in our real-world designs that anyone can build WITHOUT having to kiss every ass from here to the Potomac. That's the kind of information and experience hobbyists can actually use. So it's great that he started out in his garage.. it would appear that somewhere along the way he lost touch with his roots. After all, it's not the average Joes here that are showing off their megebucks commercial laser projector that they are so very privileged to have acquired and that none of us mere mortals could ever hope to achieve ownership of (through both our lack of funds and experience) as a way of showing off their immensity in the world of laser shows. I know who Jon is. It's great that he is who he is. I still don't really care.

Oh, and I did forget to add a not-so-friendly reminder that I just don't really like Jon. Anything that gets his blood a-pumpin is sweet by me. Feel the love?

[ElektroFreak]

Not nuts, just passionate. And for all you or anyone here knows I do plenty for people I care about. There's a whole lot about me that no one on the fucking internet knows, and that's the way it should be. Just because I could give a crap about some guy on the internet named Jon doesn't make me nuts and it doesn't mean I feel that way about people in general. I do my very best to contribute my own knowledge and experiences here as much as possible given MY lack of funds and experience. I have every right as a human being to feel any way I desire about another human being, I just tell them how I feel straight up instead of dancing around it like a pansy. It's not like Jon's done anything to make the situation better. I'm sure the feeling is mutual, and so be it.

Now I'm sorry that you have an issue with me and my ways or the people I take issue with, but I'm me. If you don't like it, well shucks I'm sure I'll lose a TON of sleep over that. Here's ths thing about me: I don't change because people say it's what I should be doing, or because my views aren't what they want them to be.

[carlos3621]

Some of the members on this board , actually make a living performing laser shows.
Perhaps they dont have the time to do R&D on laser module assy....?

I Think, after you get over the excitment of building your own laser modules / projectors....
you too, will step up and purchase a Projector, that performs as it should.

just ask (allthatwhichis), if im correct, he (like myself) , allready spent numerous hrs. building a projector, but ultimately, ended up buying a completed unit.

I think what this boils down to is, you have a personal issue with him and some of the other members on here....
but keep in mind, this is just a forum, where anyone can come here and throw in their .02$
No sense if getting mad over anything,,,, if somebody posts something on here, that i dont agree with, i will respond with my opinions, and MOVE ON!

[carlos3621]

BTW, im just like you in that,
i tell it like i see it.....i give credit when credit is due, and if i disagree, i will respond with my opinions/experiences on the subject,

BUT i try to not take anything on here personal, like i said previously, this is just a forum...
(A KICKASS ONE @ THAT!)

[ElektroFreak]

but keep in mind, this is just a forum, where anyone can come here and throw in their .02$
No sense if getting mad over anything,,,, if somebody posts something on here, that i dont agree with, i will respond with my opinions, and MOVE ON!

That's what I've been saying forever now.

It's nothing personal. I don't know any of these guys personally. It's me voicing my $.02. Sucks if it pisses anyone off, but that's all it is.

[mophead]

That's what I've been saying forever now.

It's nothing personal. I don't know any of these guys personally.

That's sorta where I was going with our pm's.....

There are a large percentage of people on this board that know each other IN REAL LIFE.

The key is----------


We treat each other *online* as if we were in the same room *in real life*.

This is real life.

Please treat your fellow forum members as such.

[ElektroFreak]

Yeah I got that. Thanks for the advice, however unsolicited. I disagree about this (here, this forum, these interactions) being real life. I use the internet to vent my feelings from time to time, just the same as Jon does. Steve just verified that viewpoint by describing how Jon apparently is in real life. I pay my internet bill, not you or anyone else. I'll use it as I see fit.

Have you or anyone here seen even the slightest real desire from me to meet face to face? I wouldn't mind it, some folks here seem very cool, but I'm pretty much committed to doing this my way. I have every intention of attempting to one day start a company doing shows, when the time in my life is right for it. I'm stretched pretty thin right now, so no time for another business venture, but lasers are still something I really enjoy. When I do start doing this commercially it will be on my terms using my knowledge and expertise. Would I like help from people who know? Sure, but only with no strings attached. For now I'm just a hobbyist learning as much as I can all by my lonesome, that's all.

[gottaluvlasers]

just out of curosity, and i hate to add fuel to this fire, but where did this animosity between you and jon come from?

i only ask becasue EF- you seem like a pretty cool, laid back guy from what i know of you (admittedly very little) from this forum. And i know jon personally from a quite a few phone calls and a few in person meetings and he too is also a cool, laid back guy.

Just really curious where this little quarrel between you 2 came from.

-Marc