Latest version of QS ready for testing -- just before release

[Kenneth Hansen]

Hi i cannot set the scanspeed to more than 30K in QS2 in the old version 1 Patch 128
there was no problem to go to 60K ore more
Why thave these 30K limits been set in QS2 ?

Kenneth Hansen

[White-Light]

Hi i cannot set the scanspeed to more than 30K in QS2 in the old version 1 Patch 128
there was no problem to go to 60K ore more
Why thave these 30K limits been set in QS2 ?

Kenneth Hansen

There are set scan speeds I think because Pangolin don't want this product to compete with their next generation software Beyond. A lot of the restrictions in QS 2.0 are there to leave a reason for more professional / demanding users to buy Beyond. I've had a lot of conversations with Bill about features so know this to be true in many cases of restriction.

Otherwise Pangolin would go bankrupt as nearly everyone would get QS 2.0 as a free upgrade and no one would need to buy Beyond so revenue would dry up. QS 2.0 is very powerful so has to have some restrictions to allow for reasons to purchase the next level of software.

I wasn't aware QS 1.0 was unrestricted in this way as I never had it but probably with QS 2.0 being so much more featured, the scan speed is one area that was restricted to leave room for that next level of software.

[Kenneth Hansen]

There are set scan speeds I think because Pangolin don't want this product to compete with their next generation software Beyond. A lot of the restrictions in QS 2.0 are there to leave a reason for more professional / demanding users to buy Beyond. I've had a lot of conversations with Bill about features so know this to be true in many cases of restriction.

Otherwise Pangolin would go bankrupt as nearly everyone would get QS 2.0 as a free upgrade and no one would need to buy Beyond so revenue would dry up. QS 2.0 is very powerful so has to have some restrictions to allow for reasons to purchase the next level of software.

I wasn't aware QS 1.0 was unrestricted in this way as I never had it but probably with QS 2.0 being so much more featured, the scan speed is one area that was restricted to leave room for that next level of software.

Yes but QS is not free you have to bye FB3 Controllers, and here in Denmark the QS set is about 1350$
But What about the new FB3 QS controller, Pangolin says that these can scan up to 120K but if the QS software is limited, then it can't payoff to bye them if you have 3 color laser, and what prises are they on the US/UK marked

I have asked Benner about this scan speed limit, but no answer.

Regards Kenneth Hansen

[White-Light]

Yes but QS is not free you have to bye FB3 Controllers, and here in Denmark the QS set is about 1350$

If you have QS 1.0 then QS 2.0 is a free download and will work on your existing FB3 controller with a free firmware upgrade. Several people on here have done it.

If you want to upgrade to the newer FB3-QS controller then yes you have to buy it.

You mention QS 1.0 could scan at 60K but did the old FB3 support it? I thought one of the purposes of the new controller was the addition of faster scan speed support. I wasn't aware the old FB3 supported 60K output, maybe it did.

But What about the new FB3 QS controller, Pangolin says that these can scan up to 120K but if the QS software is limited, then it can't payoff to bye them if you have 3 color laser, and what prises are they on the US/UK marked

I have asked Benner about this scan speed limit, but no answer.

Regards Kenneth Hansen

I'm going to point Bill to this thread because I'm not sure I can answer the above scan speed point comprehensively without giving secrets away. I can't remember whats in the public domain here on development and whats been said to me privately. However, 30K is the standard scan speed for graphics. I don't know why you want 60K, you must have your reasons, but 60K is specialist stuff.

I'm not sure I understand your value point. QS is BY FAR the most powerful software for its price bracket and indeed beyond that I've seen. Take a look at Fiesta at nearly twice the price of QS 2.0 and you don't have half of the features, including no Beam Attenuation Mapping. Zion is simplistic in features by comparison. I could of course go on.... Many professional companies already use QS for professional display use, its more than capable. So I'm at a loss to see why you think it doesn't pay off to buy FB3-QS controllers when with QS 2.0 you're getting the most powerful show software out there for its price. Even more so when with existing FB3's you can get QS 2.0 for free!

Anyway, I'll mention this to Bill in case he has time to pop across and give you a better answer.

[norty303]

I don't understand why QS is $1350 in Denmark

You can just buy it direct from Pangolin for $600, or indeed any other outlet.

I'm sure Rob Stanwax would ship you a set for the list price from the UK. Shipping to DK is not extra expensive, I send stuff to extended family all the time.

Also, I'm confused by this bit...

Pangolin says that these can scan up to 120K but if the QS software is limited, then it can't payoff to bye them if you have 3 color laser,

What difference doees the scan speed make if you have a 1, 2 or 3 colour laser? I'm curious why you need to scan faster than 30k, and what scanners you have that will support such abuse? In my experience, the guys who want to scan VERY fast are in the upper end of the market where they are using QM hardware anyway.

[Kenneth Hansen]

Hi Again
And thanks White-Light
Yes i run QS2 294 whit FB3 SE controllers whit the latest FW upgrade, so i'm good running.
Yes indeed QS is the best value SW around in my point of view, i just wondering why the old QS 1 could scan way beyond 30K (i don't know the limit of FB3 SE scanspeed)
and the new QS2 have this limit of 30K, i think we se more and more factory build lasers whit scanset of 40K and 50K an even 80K (LaserWorld)
I am going to build a new laser an want to bye CT6215HP or other high speed scanset (Eye Magic), and then i need to look around after anohter software that can go beyond 30K, and now i have being so glad of QS (Have runned QS since December 2009), so that will be bugger.

norty303 thanks for the 600$ tip, everything is very expensive in Denmark
The New FB3 QS controller can scan up to 120K and have 6 Colour channels, so you can really mix diferent wavelenght lasers, for better and stronger colour spectrum.

Regards kenneth Hansen

[White-Light]

I am going to build a new laser an want to bye CT6215HP or other high speed scanset (Eye Magic), and then i need to look around after anohter software that can go beyond 30K, and now i have being so glad of QS (Have runned QS since December 2009), so that will be bugger.

norty303 thanks for the 600$ tip, everything is very expensive in Denmark
The New FB3 QS controller can scan up to 120K and have 6 Colour channels, so you can really mix diferent wavelenght lasers, for better and stronger colour spectrum.

Regards kenneth Hansen

I'm going to let others comment on the scanner usuage.

On the software front, I'd wait and see what Beyond brings to the table.

[soforene]

..... i think we se more and more factory build lasers whit scanset of 40K and 50K an even 80K (LaserWorld) .....

Soforene Enterprises has a Scanset that runs at 500k.
This has been verified by LaserWorld themselves.
Need I say more?

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[norty303]

Really, the main point behind scanners rated over 30k is so that you can scan a 30k image wider than the 'standard' ILDA test at 8 degrees.

The New FB3 QS controller can scan up to 120K and have 6 Colour channels, so you can really mix diferent wavelenght lasers, for better and stronger colour spectrum.

I'm still not sure I'm getting the correlation between the number of colour channels and the max scan speed. It makes no difference to the scan speed, or what it achieves if you have 1, 2, 5, 9 or 38 different colours.

If you really want 30k+ scan speeds on your FB3, buy a copy of LivePro, the 'Pro' software. The current version allows up to 130k speeds if you so desire.
I believe the USB version is cheaper than the QM version at only $250 (at least thats what I paid direct, and it wasn't an offer or anything). So thats pretty cheap by the current exchange rates and they can send it electronically direct from Pangolin if you need it quick.

[Pangolin]

Hi All,

Since I was mentioned by name, I would like to provide some answers.

First, build 128 probably had a bug, and the perceived limitations of any slider should not be considered to be gospel.

Second, we would like to move the discussion away from "K". At this stage (after 25 years of thinking about it), our belief is that "K" is a bad thing to discuss, especially on the Photon Lexicon forums. The majority of companies that manufacture scanners don't even know what this means, so there is a monkey-see, monkey-do attitude with respect to stating "K" ratings. I can most definitely say the same about projector manufacturers. I am not going to mention any names, but I think all of us on this forum know of a certain company that advertises their projectors as having 50K scanners, but when rated the way ILDA would like you to, they are really 15K scanners. Because of this, and many other factors, it means the "K" is not a reliable way of discussing scan speeds any longer.

Third, QS uses new technology. It does not use points. We have gotten away from points... So, since we have gotten away from points, the concept of a point output rate is also entirely not relevant any longer.

The main focus for everyone in the world should be on results, and that's where QS really shines. If you follow our setup procedures in the video, you will get great results from your projector, regardless of the supposed "K" rating of your scanners. So just do that, and lets all stop talking about "K".

Yes but QS is not free you have to bye FB3 Controllers, and here in Denmark the QS set is about 1350$

As discussed by Norty, Pangolin does not have exclusive dealers anywhere. Someone in India can buy from a dealer located in California. Someone in Alaska can buy from a dealer in Germany. With this being the case, it seems that you can purchase QS from a location much less than $1350, which is much more than double our US Suggested list price.

I have asked Benner about this scan speed limit, but no answer.

I am sorry to hear about your esperience, but if you sent an email and did not get a response it is only because we did not receive the email! Remember, email is open-loop and not reliable.

We answer emails very quickly as I am sure many here on PL will attest. Please try again as we would love to hear from you!

Best regards,

William Benner