QS 2.0 show creation with quick timeline issues

[White-Light]

I'm not sure I can see what's happening from your video michael, so I don't really understand.

I also can't reproduce the problem. Here's a screenshot and a clip:

• This is how much you can expand the timeline for precise placement:

Each whole timeline increment is 1/10th of a second. That's what I would typically choose.

However, if you really want to zoom in you can take the main timeline increments out to 1/500th second and the inbetween increments or placement between those down to around maybe 1/1000th:



Just make sure the magnet (horseshoe symbol) is set to "off"

[White-Light]

I'm putting a clip up myself shortly.

In the clip I forgot to turn the magnet to off so anyone unsure about it will be able to see what I did to turn it off.

I can't see a problem but maybe you'll be able to spot something. Only other suggestion is you re-install.

[masterpj]

Maybe we should ask Bill to add a feature where you can tap the beat during the music is played and markers are placed. I know everybody says Quickshow is for live stuff, but it would be a handy feature (that other software has already).
Why not make Quickshow even better ?

I heard bill is not on the office till 5 january @ devcom I think it was.
Showtime has the tap feature

[michelrietveld]

the problem is that i try to identify the point, based on the audio that i hear, where the start point of the cue must be.
Once i think that i have found it i, placing a marker or stopping the audio on that beat while zooming in on the graph, i move the cue to the track.
To make sure that i placed it correctly i replay that part and try to adjust the cue to the best location. This is very hard, when the cue is placed and the audio is replayed it seems like the music is not replayed in the same way and the cue seems to be mispositioned, when replaying the part several times sometimes the cue is correct and other times miscorrectly placed so i cannot trust the alignment.

Michel

[White-Light]

Hi Michael,

Here's the video clip I put up:

http://www.vimeo.com/19206140

I think I'm understanding what you are saying now. What you need to do is look quite closely at the time line as the music plays and try and identify the peak that corresponds to the beat you want to synchronise with. Once identified, you can zoom in and place, and adjust. Zoom is your friend here both for identification and placement.

I agree having a tap marker facility would help, but how much I'm not sure, as it will place the marker where you've tapped only so if you're slightly out or if there's any delay, you'll miss the beat point again.

The best solution I think would be for automatic beat marking where the programme, using the Live VJ engine, identifies and marks the beats automatically in the time line so that the marks are precise.

I also think it would be easier if the music track played when you moved the cursor manually as it does in some DJ programmes as this makes it easier to move it manually backwards and forwards over a peak and identify the beat segment much easier.

I've suggested these to Bill, although I suspect it would be more likely to make Beyond than QS if liked.

[michelrietveld]

Hi Michael,

The best solution I think would be for automatic beat marking where the programme, using the Live VJ engine, identifies and marks the beats automatically in the time line so that the marks are precise.

I also think it would be easier if the music track played when you moved the cursor manually as it does in some DJ programmes as this makes it easier to move it manually backwards and forwards over a peak and identify the beat segment much easier.

I've suggested these to Bill, although I suspect it would be more likely to make Beyond than QS if liked.

Thanks for the feedback, can i mark beats in the audiofile within QS?
Is beyond a program from pangolin? can't find it on their website or do you mean that qs is too basic for this feature?

Michel

[White-Light]

Thanks for the feedback

No problem I've passed it on but I don't work for Pangolin.

can i mark beats in the audiofile within QS?

You can right click and add a snap line, it works for the cursor rather than the cues though. Its one way of identifying a beat though as you can add it then drag it to where you want and when in the correct place, drag your cue to match. It appears as a dotted green line top to bottom. Just right click on the timeline and the option appears. However, beyond that I don't think you can. The visual peaks and troughs in the music are there to help guide you as to beats.

Is beyond a program from pangolin? can't find it on their website

Michel

Beyond is their next generation professional software thats still under development. To think of it as the next generation of LD2000 I would think is probably the most accurate way to describe it. I know very little about it. Those who saw the Selem demo probably know far more than me although I'm sure everyone who knows something is probably sworn to secrecy anyway.

...or do you mean that qs is too basic for this feature?

I don't know whether Bill will adopt the feature if he likes it for QS, for Beyond or for both. What I do know from numerous conversations I've had with him, is that the creation side of QS is deliberately kept simple because otherwise it would compete with Beyond. Obviously, there need to be some reasons why people would want to pay all the extra for their top level software. So QS is aimed at the lower professional / semi-professional / keen amateur market with LD, Beyond etc being aimed at the top level professional who needs the ultimate in power and creation and display options. QS is already way more powerful then almost any other software out in its price bracket and several programmes way above its price bracket. Hence the reasons why I don't think you're going to see much added to QS that increases its power.

[michelrietveld]

Feedback from pangolin :

QS has an audio-player component and it is served by the Operation System. QS sets the position from where to play, but playback starts from another position that depends on the buffer size. So, the prolem happens on a lower level than QS.

What to do with this... we are looking for alternative audio components. One way or another, we are aware about this problem, working on it and what to create better audio-playback system than QS uses now.

What to do now? I guess that the audio codec is one of things in this puzzle. But I can not recommend something exact. Also, I think should produce consistent result if to start the show playback from a beginning.

[JohnYayas]

We went through this with Spaghetti with some sort of resolution. Checked the hingednewt forum for details.

http://hingednewt.lefora.com

[michelrietveld]

which forum section/thread?
Michel