Plurfect Productions - Detroit, MI

[flecom]

I understand what you want to do, but I have worked for the government before, and if theres one thing I learned is if you think the problems they have are bad, wait till you see their solutions...

so if you get the CDRH off their asses it might make it more of a headache for everyone... and maybe (probably) thats a good thing... you know, keep everyone in check and all... but like I said in my first post in this thread, I doubt they will do anything... it would be nice if they did though, we don't need people like that devaluing lasers as a service by using those garbage projectors

[absolom7691]

I just think about this, what they are doing is not exactly dangerous, but it is a VERY bad habit to get into. If they do a dozen gigs or so here and there and then decide to get something more power, the stakes go up. I doubt they would work their way up to a vag burner, but then again, they could be the next "Nation's Best International DJ" with 20 watts of q-switched green. Even 1 or 2 watts of green is cheap power and 1 or 2 watts is a different ball game.

[mixedgas]

I just think about this, what they are doing is not exactly dangerous, but it is a VERY bad habit to get into. If they do a dozen gigs or so here and there and then decide to get something more power, the stakes go up. I doubt they would work their way up to a vag burner, but then again, they could be the next "Nation's Best International DJ" with 20 watts of q-switched green. Even 1 or 2 watts of green is cheap power and 1 or 2 watts is a different ball game.

My two cents:

My best friend does varianced laser shows in a highly regulated state. He gets inspected often. He is needing to climb higher and higher in power as LED walls and LED lighting have gotten more and more popular and cheaper. What he used to do indoors with 2-3 watts now needs 6-12 watts to overcome lighting he does not have control of. LDs now ask how many watts and his divergence before hiring. They never did that until recently.

Obviously there is some well thought padding in the classification scheme, or we would be seeing injuries. We will see injuries with unscanned beams and in lab situations at these powers, and we have more then anecdotal proof with the forums on that other web site about injuries and incidents happening with pointers and uneducated folks. No one disputes that static beams are dangerous.

The question you have to ask, is since power has to climb when doing events in more modern lighting, when will we start seeing issues with illegal audience scanning and dollar a milliwatt lasers.

While I support ILDA's attempt to get 10X MPE approved, by varianced laserists, at some point things will start to heat up.
But 10x MPE might be useful in dim situations in a threatre or amusement park, its not going to work well at a dance party.

We dodged a issue (barely) with 445 diodes due to the high divergence and purposefully crappy beam. When illuminating a MEMs device, you do not want TEM-00 or a narrow wavelength.

I know I've been accused of crying Wolf, but 445 was just a puppy. I'm already aware of 800-1000 mW 405nm diodes being offered as samples with 10s of watts happening in the lab. I mention this as those diodes will end up in disk drives, unless some one gets the wavelength down to 385. That research will scale up to 445 with time. A well funded famous led researcher has claimed to have busted the "planar" crystal growth issues that limit blue laser power. His startup has venture capital in place to scale up to preproduction.

It is evident that studies need to be done for scanned laser light. Where the funding would come from is uncertain, that is for sure.

It is a matter of time. Reporting of major clowns (Nations Worse Intentional DJ for example) and some of these fly by night guys should happen once in a while, just to keep the regulators aware of what is going on. It does help. It may not seem like it helps, but having a record of dialog gives you a defense in the long term.

Steve

[flecom]

does it? does the CDRH have a history of enforcement actions like the FCC??

http://www.fcc.gov/eb/rfo/ActAct.html

[absolom7691]

I am sure this seems like making a mountain out of a mole-hill, but Steve hit that nail on the head (wow, two cliches in one sentence). These people probably don't know anything about lasers. To make a show more sepctacular, all they need to do is go on ebay and get one with the "biggest mW's". Higher powers are cheap and getting cheaper. A few clicks and anyone can have one. One could build up their arsenals with more powerful lasers, but not build up their knowledge of safety or display techniques.

Now who knows, maybe this will stop the importing of cheap chinese projector junk. I doubt that this show promoter would even know how to build a projector from the ground up. Then again, one proDJ knew how to get a very powerful laser working and also lacked the common sense about using it.

[mixedgas]

[QUOTE=flecom;189788]does it? does the CDRH have a history of enforcement actions like the FCC?? [QUOTE]

Considering ILDA has had recent improvements with FAA relations, one could argue it does.

Does CDRH publish violations, Yeah, but its heck to search through and does not show the replies from the accused.
It goes on the docket, so you have to wade through piles of other events to find the letters.


Frank, I Found these with a quick Google of a EOS's name, as the FDA server is a mess to search in a hurry. These are old,
but you get the idea:

Steve

Quote:

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Moda Company, Cleveland, OH, Nov. 20 (Central Region). FDA Central Region Electra-Optics Specialist, inspected the Moda nightclub on April 10. The violations he found included that the company was producing laser light shows without an approved variance, that is, they were permitting human access to laser radiation in excess of the accessible emission limits. Moda was also hit with failure to certify and properly label laser equipment and failure to maintain proper records. Lab, QC/QS

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, dba Funky funky Buddah, Cleveland, OH, Nov. 20 (Central Region). FDA Central Region Electra-Optics Specialist, conducted the inspection of the Funky Buddah nightclub on April 11. The violations included that the club was producing laser light shows without an approved variance; it had failed to certify and properly label laser equipment; and it had failed to maintain proper records. Lab, QC/QS

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http://www.fda.gov/ICECI/Enforcement.../ucm147925.htm


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[flecom]

so they send out warning letters?

the FCC will stick a NAL to your door and if you don't comply fine you some serious $$$... I have seen people get hit with $20,000 NAL's around here for pirate stuff

[mixedgas]

so they send out warning letters?

the FCC will stick a NAL to your door and if you don't comply fine you some serious $$$... I have seen people get hit with $20,000 NAL's around here for pirate stuff

IF you read the paperwork on that, they can plead it down based on a sliding income scale.

. FCC has it a bit easier, they can prove a illegal event is happening with just a directional antenna, gps, and a Spec An, and the NAL can go on the door of the building with staples. Keep in mind that the appeals process is not easy, nor local, either.

Steve

[flecom]

ya I know nobody pays it but at least the FCC tries to sound a little scarier lol

[Banthai]

well guys ... do what yo need to do stop this sorta crap ....

Phredy ... that website http://www.blacklasers.com/ is full of shite

They are even selling the MambaBlack Pirate Virus ridden, Trojan infested hacked and copied software and hardware

I have just fired an email off to Mr DB at Medialas ... to see if they can put a stop to it ... which they should do .... as all transactions are done through paypal ... so they should be able to file a dispute or something

all the best

Billy banthai