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    Quote Originally Posted by White-Light View Post
    I must admit I'm surprised that projectors haven't separated out into graphic and beam projectors along the lines of tight beams for graphics and wide beams for beam projectors.
    I will have to agree with that. For beams you can get away with loads of raw power in a HUGE beam and scan considerably slower (~20-30kpps) for effects overhead, whereas you would want pin-point beam spots and perfect white balance for graphics in a FAST, narrow scanning package.

    With proper overhead effects, people will not notice you're not going 'into the crowd'. This may be different on a dance party than on a more sophisticated show like in a theatre or a corporate presentation, but I like well-designed overhead shows a lot more than shows that just blast a dumpload of beam effects into the audience.

    If you have dedicated overhead beam projectors, you can do some very clever positioning with them in a lot of crazy directions, for example, one or two projectors pointing straight down from the top stage edge creating a 'virtual wall', grid or force field between the audience and the performer. Also, with a few bounce mirrors something like this can be even more dramatic, where the graphics projectors remain more fixed and just do what they are designed to do -- project graphics in a perfectly aligned, straight fashion.

    Beams need lots brightness because they travel through free air and scatter off fog to be visible. Graphics projectors can profit from a reflective screen, so a multi-watt projector doing graphics is little use in most cases.

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    Let them eat cake. I can crowd scan myself in the privacy of my own home whenever I want. I want the future of crowd scanning to be cheap projectors and many copies of Spaghetti. That would be cool.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stoney3K View Post
    I will have to agree with that. For beams you can get away with loads of raw power in a HUGE beam and scan considerably slower (~20-30kpps) for effects overhead, whereas you would want pin-point beam spots and perfect white balance for graphics in a FAST, narrow scanning package.
    Maybe one answer would be to have a projector with a telescope lens that could move in or out of the beam path according to the type of show you were doing, a bit like lumina wheels do currently, so for beam you set it to beams on the LCD before the show and the telescope made the beams larger for graphics you set it to graphics and the lasers went straight to the scanners (through any dichros of course)!

    Quote Originally Posted by JohnYayas View Post
    Let them eat cake. I can crowd scan myself in the privacy of my own home whenever I want. I want the future of crowd scanning to be cheap projectors and many copies of Spaghetti. That would be cool.
    That's just wishful thinking Gary.

    You know the future is iShow!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by White-Light View Post
    Maybe one answer would be to have a projector with a telescope lens that could move in or out of the beam path according to the type of show you were doing, a bit like lumina wheels do currently, so for beam you set it to beams on the LCD before the show and the telescope made the beams larger for graphics you set it to graphics and the lasers went straight to the scanners (through any dichros of course)!
    Expanding your beams will decrease the percieved brightness, though. Which leaves you with just as little light as a normal-sized 5mW scanning beam, or a simple moving light discharge fixture with spot optics.

    To me, really, really bright straight beams OVER my head (in a safe area) shout more 'laser' to me than fuzzy, dim or wide beams scanning me in the face.

    Basically, anything that is used to reduce audience exposure, in principle, will also reduce the audience's experience of crowd scanned beams.

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    Quote Originally Posted by White-Light View Post
    That's just wishful thinking Gary.

    You know the future is iShow!!
    A knew version of A Christmas Story is coming out this December. But instead of a BB Gun, Ralphie tells Santa that he wants iShow. But, the line is still the same: "You'll shoot your eye out, kid".

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    Deja Vu strikes again. I love how you guys reinvent the wheel I saw 20 years ago. I have big galvos with paddle mirrors for a reason. Whats next? Reinventing the beam table?

    Steve

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    C'mon Steve, everyone knows square wheels are the future:

    http://www.maniacworld.com/smooth-ri...re-wheels.html

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