Pangolin Beyond Info Thread

[White-Light]

well, if I put an audio track on the timeline a pattern of a kick sound for example could automatically drive a zoom or rotation effect or I have to manually make keyframes?

There are effects that respond to beats and so yes it can be done.

However, to guarantee it or to sync to eg melody notes, you might have to key frame manually.

EDIT: on the beat point, forgot we're talking animations, might not be possible with those, let me play.

[masterpj]

you tap to the beat. then according to your taps the program estimates the BPM.
on this BMP it will switch que's

it's best to just make a show with cue's you have a big degree of freedom with that.


Also Even when doing very weird optimizations that are not good for laser scanners *in fact when scanning to big this complexity and way of drawing will damage them*
But this is what you can get most out of it when doing very weird optimizations.


as I said consider the tradeoffs, with your demand you might want to do video mapping and things like that instead of lasers.

[gabrielefx]

Graphics with lasers are very simple,

This is quite a complex frame from QS:



Yet you can see there's very little detail.

Frame rate though is around 20fps which I think starts to give you a warning of the limitations of laser rendering.

the limit stay in the scanner? a 100kpps scanner could do better? does exist a rgb laser with a scanner for each color?

[masterpj]

100kpps scanner?
Those don't exist.
At least not galvo based
the maximum is 60kpps for galvo's
Digital scanners are very hard to get and even more expensive it will be way out of your budget.

[gabrielefx]

I already do video projections of 3d animations

If exist a rgb laser capable of project 3d wireframe and raster complex animations at 30fps today I would have the right answer, but it doesn't exist...

Anyway...I want to enter in this new creative mode of bending signs of lights...holidays money will be invested for the laser and software...


Interesting comparison chart never saw before on Pangolin site....

http://www.pangolin.com/versions.html

it use microscribe for what???

[masterpj]

To make basic wireframe models i think.
Nobody uses it actually.
Gabrielefx wireframe models is possible, thing is that other then standard geometry you will not be able to show much in wireframe laser mode.

[gabrielefx]

oh...microscribe is old like me,
If I were at Pangolin I would have built an interface to scan 3d objects using the laser...

[masterpj]

oh...microscribe is old like me,
If I were at Pangolin I would have built an interface to scan 3d objects using the laser...

You can already do that with david laserscanner. but you need a load of scans.
the geometry is high poly so it wil render slow and is not good for animating.
but if you want you can do it with david laserscanner and just make a looping show in showtime where the laser projector moves a line up and down.

I wanted to do this for a show once to make figures on my cupboard come alive in lasers, but still haven't taken the time for it, also I doubt it wil work.
A reason why laser scanned 3D models doesn't get used for games and only very professioan movies because of the way to high poly.
I really doubt any 3D laser software will like the high geometry.

you know what, i will try this soon just for you and report the results to you, My guess is that they will be dissapointing.

[White-Light]

@ Gabriel, Just to give you some ideas of scanner costs the cheapest solution for a scanner of good quality is going to be DT40's. They cost £400 and I believe are rated at 30k with normal mirrors and around 38K with large mirrors.

For 60K scanners, you're looking at Cambridge Technology and in the region of £2,000 for the scanners alone!

Realistically, you're going to have to aim for 30K scanners such as the DT's if you're on limited resources.

BTW to answer your question above, no, you have one set of scanners with lasers not one for each colour.

[norty303]

at 30k with normal mirrors and around 38K with large mirrors.

How do they manage to go quicker with larger mirrors? I'm assuming they use the power of Typo??