New EYEMAGIC Scanners EMS7000

[edison]

Eyemagics might be more expencive but the overal performance is allot better and you get good service and warrenty with them. That means they will be replaced/repaired and that service is worth every penny. If your scanner breaks down they can ship a new one overnight and that could save your show. This means you don,t loose money on that. But if you only use it in your bedroom then of course its not important. Now that i think of it , when doing lasershows in a bedroom eyemagics are a waste of money anyway

[planters]

You haven't seen my bedroom. There's an ENORMOUS mirror ball...

Do they have good service? I only ask because the upgrade for the owners of the version #1 of the 7000's to version #2 took some members a long time and if I remember right, Bradfo69 received a swapped board. On the other hand, my 4000's have yet to show any deterioration (knock on wood). The problem edison, is that I don't doubt your sincerity, but it is the actual side by side comparison that carries weight with me. I asked above if sbk had found the difference between the scanners increased with larger and in my opinion more realistic scan angles. If this is true then I am more inclined to agree with you that the EMS scanners are worth the premium.

[Bradfo69]

Yes, it was quite a long time. I shipped back two galvo motors and two driver cards on or about January 20th for an offered swap from Eye Magic for revision two of these galvos. If I recall correctly, it was about four months before they were returned. There was some excuse about a customs hold up for part of that time.
So... I can't say I got the type of service Edison claims. Was it nice they offered to replace the first revision when it didn't meet their claims? Sure but, I was sort of led to believe this would be maybe a two week thing.

[edison]

If i buy a product i except the higher price if it comes allong with good service and warrenty. You can,t compare a scanner that has little or no warrenty and service with one that is more expencive but is has that within. The price of a product is not only determined by the quallity and performance but also the service and warrenty that comes alling with it. I rather pay more and sleep at night then worry about it when it failed. Just a matter of choice i guess. I believe that in the end it works out for both the seller as the customer. But i also learned that you can,t make everyone happy. I also see that when a new product is launched like beyond or the eyemagics 7000,s it has bugs and errors while people expect that it works flawless from the start. Its impossible to keep developing until its flawless because you need money to improve things. So selling it before its absolute perfect is the way to go but you need also improve the ones you sold if the ones could be improved. I sell modules but also contact people if i can improve things on their modules that i have sold in the past. I,m sure this is also the case with the ems7000,s. They contstantly improve them and so when the scanners are not performing with the original driverboard i,m sure Eyemagic will replace them without no costs. THAT is why you also pay more, not only because the overal better performance and quality.

[sbk]

I asked above if sbk had found the difference between the scanners increased with larger and in my opinion more realistic scan angles. If this is true then I am more inclined to agree with you that the EMS scanners are worth the premium.

The difference increased with larger angle indeed. I have to do more comparison with more frames and more scenarios when my stuffs get back from the event, the primary aim for that first picture was to dig out this thread and that was quite successful

By the way, I have no regrets at all about the extra money I put into these EMS7000 for sure, as they was part of the group buy with a very interesting price!

If i buy a product i except the higher price if it comes allong with good service and warranty. You can,t compare a scanner that has little or no warrenty and service with one that is more expencive but is has that within.

This being said, I had issues with a set of DT40, and the service was very good from both manufacturer and reseller (Dave), I even got a new set before they received the defective one. So DT scanners have premium service too.
Never had issue with the EMS yet but the manufacturer answers very fastly to emails so that's a good sign.

[norty303]

I am curious about the reliability/service aspects being thrown around here.

Out of all of the users on the forum, how many have had a failure using DT scanners (seeing as they are the ones most compared to) that wasn't due to incompetence/negligence/really silly stuff?

[planters]

Funny you should ask. Two years ago when I bought my first scanner (just began building my first projector), I bought a DT 40 from Marc @ CT Lasers. It failed after approx 10 hours of use with one axis screaming and growing hot. He immediately took it back and credited me toward the EMS 4000's I am still using. I do not know if he ate the loss or if he was refunded by his supplier.

[Jem]

I've been reading this thread with interest and pondering whether or not to throw my two penneth (0.02 cents worth for those over the pond ) into the mix.

I have owned DT40's, CT6215h's and some of the new EMS7000's. Let me start off by saying I never had any problems with the DT40's during the relatively short time they were in my projector. At the time I had these I wasn't into comparing stuff, they performed well and that, as they say, was that.

I did however, For a very short while have two RGB projectors, one fitted with the high speed CT6215's (& high speed amps) and the other fitted with the new modified EMS7000's. The CT6215's will take pretty much any abuse you care to throw at them and they will scream and shout as you push up the scan angle, but they always looked great. The EMS7000's can also be pushed to the limits, but they just don't look quite the same as the CT's. Bear in mind this isn't a scientific observation, it's just an observation from everyday use whilst projecting abstracts and some limited graphics.

Would I buy another set of CT6215h's rather than another set of EMS7000's if money was no object?... Yes, I think I would. I can't really define the reasoning behind this other than the fact that the CT's just had the edge and the abstracts somehow just looked a little better.

Now, let's put this into some sort of perspective...

The DT40's are a great budget scanner and are excellent value for money.

The EMS7000's I would consider to be the next level up and are also an excellent scanner

The CT6251h's are a superb scanner and deserve to be at the top of the pile.

HOWEVER... There is a lot of difference in price between the three scanners and because of that reason alone it's not really fair to do direct comparisons, in my humble opinion the above is the order that they should be in. I wouldn't expect the DT's to outperform the CT's simply based on price alone. It comes back to the old saying that you tend to get what you pay for.

My advice to anyone reading this and thinking of making a scanner purchase would be to feel comfortable in the fact that whichever level of scanner you decide to purchase (from the above) you'll get something that represents excellent value for money at that level

[norty303]

I think that people need to be realistic about their intended use too.
Ultimately, you don't see curly edges in beam shows...

I have 7 sets of DT scanners, 2x DT25 and 5x DT30 and haven't yet thought that I want another more expensive set, and I haven't had a failure (yet).

If I was doing graphics, then it would be EMS on the shopping list I think.

[sbk]

I think that people need to be realistic about their intended use too.
Ultimately, you don't see curly edges in beam shows...

Well I just noticed at the event yesterday that certain beam show patterns (especially ones with dots) were quite sharper on the EMS7000, the two projectors side by side on a Y-cable, at 25-28 kpps.

But there is a lot of things I feel alone to notice when it comes to lasers So I guess it's not a dramatic difference.