FLEM

[Pangolin]

We'll reply more later. And I invite the rest of the folks from the room to comment (which is why I brought them -- so that an entire room full of people can verify that it's not just the Big Bad Bill Benner saying that these don't live up to the promise)...

In any event, I think it's safe to say that they don't live up to the promise.... They came delivered from the factory tuned to 45K. Yes, they could be re-tuned to 60K, but by then, points in the images have "scribbles" and the scan angle is only 4.7 degrees (a far cry from 8 degrees which is the minimum in order to meet ILDA spec). When showing the ILDA test pattern at 30K with original tuning, they could only scan at around 13 degrees.

For comparison, Aaron's Cambridge model 6215 with 673 amps (the slow amps for that scanner) achieved 28.5 degrees at 30K.

Also, contrary to what was written to me in private emails about the EMS-7000, yes they do get hot (we have a picture of Adam measuring the temperature with a digital thermometer around 40C with the scanners doing nothing but showing an ILDA test pattern).

If there were impressive scanners in the house made by a company other than Cambridge, it was Adam's ScanPro 50s, which scanned the ILDA test pattern at 30K at 17.5 degrees -- more than twice the ILDA spec...

I'm still digging my way out of emails after returning from a few weeks away from the office. Otherwise you'd hear a lot more out of me...

Bill

[dsli_jon]

Otherwise you'd hear a lot more out of me...

Keenly look forward to more of that data, Mr BBBB cuz we'vn't had the time to beat the heck out of them, and actually experience how they 'rank', vs even their own sibling's (4Ks) for-example, and, then, yes, against 6215s, or, even 6800s for that-matter...

I think the comments in the 'other thread', were more born from being left-feeling a bit 'mystified' by what came-across (..via this admittedly 'low-bandwidth medium'.. ) like a strange, almost 'personal / axe-grinding' vibe... didn't really 'compute'... would have just expected a more 'sterile, clinical report' of the facts 'n figgures, that's all... ya know, that 'subjective perception' thang... which, of course, can be way-off... I'm sure I prolly come-across like a royal nunchuk sometimes... like, maybe even, right now!

Anyhoo, wish I could have made the LEM / demos, and will be eager to consume the real-world report(s)... whatever they may-be..

ciao
j

[JohnYayas]

As always, it was a pleasure to see familiar faces and to make some new friends.

Best moment was showing the Titanic show and laughing until I started to cry.

[Bradfo69]

..aaaannd??

j

I will allow Bill the time to catch up and provide his analysis as I am sure it will be considerably more in depth than anything I could relay. We took copious notes and measurements which he logged so, the details you are looking for I'm sure will be both forthcoming and revealing. While not bad scanners, they don't appear to live up to the advertising "hype." Now, that being said, we didn't actually play any shows through them, just test patterns. And... if you want another pair, Bill does have a set available he'd be glad to get rid of.

[allthatwhichis]

Hey Guys; great meet! It is always nice to attemd a LEM; seems to be the only time I can hang around people with an intrest in coherent light.

Here is a sneak peak at what scanners were compared; it is all in Note Pad so I suspect Bill would like to make it a bit more presentable when it is "published"...

A set EMS7000's

Adam Scan Pro 50's

DT40 Pro's

BB 6215's

Aaron 6215's

LJ 6800's

DZ G-120s

EMS 4000's

[buffo]

Adam,
The holigram you tried to video was mine.

I filmed his as well. (Tried to anyway...)

Looking forward to SELEM 2012.

Me too!

Adam

[flecom]

seems to be the only time I can hang around people with an intrest in coherent light.

lol

<3 you guys

had a lot of fun

[buffo]

Sorry my earlier reply was so short. I was stuck at work trying to reply from my phone (which sucks).

Several people have remarked that this FLEM was different in that there was a lot more technical things going on and far fewer laser shows running. I think that's OK though, so long as everyone has fun (which I'm sure we all did). It seems that every 3rd or 4th FLEM is like this, in that we end up tweaking things for most of the time rather than just running shows. (That being said, DZ's new projector is definitely the shit! Where does he get such wonderful toys?)

Bill's idea to test the scanners was a good one. I have to admit, I was shocked at the poor performance of the EMS-7000 scanners. I had been led to believe that they were Cambridge-killers. But after seeing them in the flesh, I can only conclude that they suck. We had scanners at FLEM that cost less than half as much, and they still out-performed the EMS units. Bottom line: you're better off with a set of DT-40's. (Or better yet, wait until Pangolin releases their new scanners, which should be by the end of this year.)

I wasn't surprised at the performance of my ScanPro 50's though. Ever since I reviewed them back in 2008, I fell in love with them. True, a set of Cambridge 6215's are still better, but they're also more than double the price. About the only thing I can say bad about the ScanPro units is that they do get a little warm during operation. (But then again, the EMS-7000 units got hot...)

The Beyond demo that Bill put on was fantastic. I didn't fully appreciate all the extra items in the 3D editor or the new Beyond timeline editor; probably because at SELEM those items were covered only breifly. But aftter watching Bill walk us through the interface, I have a much deeper appreciation for how much more powerful Beyond really is. I look forward to experimenting with it in the future.

Also, I need to apologize to Gary and Chris; you guys were sort of left out in the cold while the rest of us were drooling over Beyond. Sorry about that! Sometimes we get really "zoned in" and lose all track of time. My bad... Thanks for not lynching me afterward! (And a big thanks once again to Gary for staying late with Aaron, DZ, Brad, and Frank to help pack and clean up!)

So, we up for doing this again next weekend then? JUST KIDDING! I need to get planning for SELEM... (Just 4 months away) But we'll probably do another one of these in the fall...

Thanks again to everyone for making this a very fun event.

Adam

[JohnYayas]

No need to apologize. Frankly, shows don't really interest me all that much so I am glad we didn't spend too much time watching them. I was happy to watch you guys disect the fog machine, chase the snake, check out DZs pneumatic effects, the holograms, the beam combiner blocks Brad was working on, disco scan, checking out Lazerjocks impressive trip pictures, etc. I watched a little bit of the Beyond demo through the back of the screen while sitting on the dock drinking a beer. The weather was really nice so not a bad way to kill a little time. Even clean up was fun. Oh yea, watching flecom attempt to snag a chained lasertag sign was priceless. And the disgusting Orange-Coke from the new fancy BK soda fountain was memorable as well. All in all, an interesting experience.

[gottaluvlasers]

Hey all-

SO sorry i had to leave early. Had a family emergency to rush back up to CT. for. I hope everyone (which it seems is the case) had a great time. Was so pissed i had to leave on Thursday night. What a fu*ked up trip! Got down there early on tues. was planning on staying until Monday. Was looking forward to a little "me" time. But obviously it wasnt in the stars for me.

glad it seemed to be a great success.

-Marc