9W RGB special red beam!

[dsli_jon]

It is a free forum indeed, i'm going to say over and over again: "it's a FREE forum" so stop complaining to RGB or any company has to PAY for there advertisement it's a FREE FORUM, am i misunderstand the word FREE?

Yeeah, ya did.. 'FREE', as-in, you have the FREEdom to tell me, and everyone else here, what to do, but no one is obligated to 'obey your commands'.. I was speaking mostly in-defense of planters, after you barked at him, which, imo, made you look pretty jerkish.

However, relative to your monetary-slant interpretation of 'free', as that relates to the support of this forum...

And as i'm a visitor ...i'm getting irritated that some of the visitors are keep on going to complain about contribution and safety wherever they can

Again, you aren't the 'boss' of this community, those that feel the need to harp on safety, for EDUCATIONAL-reasons, will do so to the extent, and as-often as they choose - IF it becomes 'too-much', the Admin - aka the 'Janitor' - is quite good at mopping-up sick...

And, sorry - but, I will say it again - OTHER members, also, are finding the constant 'sales-biased posts', especially when inserted into others' technical-discussion threads - as 'joost' was often fond of doing - to be getting *REALLY* tiresome, and, especially-especially, when they are not even - at least - 'contributing' financially. This forum is *supposed* to primarily-be about LEARNING / knowledge sharing.. eBay is over there... >>>

IF the community - including it's Admin, so-decides that, indeed, those that wish to sell sell sell, should-be Blued - or leave - what place, really, have you to try and 'command people to stop'? You are well-entitled to your opinion, but, they'll post as they please, not as you command..

If you can't handle my criticism why should i handle yours?

Then don't! Freak-out all you want - I could care less.. I was merely reacting to your barking at planters, especially when - he was talking to ME, to begin with...

what if he did it safe but it looks unsafe he will be blamed for something he didn't do, would that be fair?

Sorry, but a) anyone that uses their eyeballs as a POWER METER, is NOT a good-example of safe / best-practices, for this community, and should-be called out, as-such - so OTHERS learn what not-to do..

..b) as Norty and others stated, saying 'I'm safe, because I've been doing this so-long', is about-as 'valid' as someone who 'is not a 'real Doctor, but plays one on TV..' Are you gonna 'trust' their medical-advice?? I hope not! Again, for the benefit of new-ones / those learning this craft, they need to know, that is NOT a 'best-practice' approach to things. This is, in-fact, a SCIENCE, and whether for-business, or not, is best-conducted with at least a reasonable-measure of scientific-methodology / practices.

..and, Joost - ya *still* didn't answer my questions.. I guess I'll direct my Client's inquiry / business elsewhere...

'ciao'
j

[taggalucci]

Nicely said Jon.

I find the sort of bullshit we're seeing here really fires me up. There's a massive attitude from these guys and those like 'em that pop up and post their crap with no care or respect for the community (both long-time experienced and novice members that are here to learn from us all).

No level of arrogance on their part constitutes assurance of safety or respect to this community. In fact, it does the opposite. And this is why I think...

...THEY JUST DON'T GET IT.

...And on that basis, should they really be handling class 4s, never mind sell them?

[carlos3621]

And its not just the safety issues, Now we have a few members on this forum, who are taking advantage of "hobbiest" members , on this board, and selling gear, that really are NOT what they claim to be, eg. exaggerated power claims.
And its not just myself, ive seen it on many other "items for sale"....

[steve-o]

Well, I've started to make my own smileys, and to this thread I have to say "Really?"
wtf.. the flame wars are getting kinda old here y'all, y-know .. gettalife .. ?

[carlos3621]

What are u suggesting steve, that i just ignore the 3 purchases ive made through PL, that were all not "as promised/sold"?
yeah,, it does get old, i'll be the first one to agree with you there, but when YOU, drop 15,000.00, into goods, that failed to meet specs. , would you be upset?

If you were a novice , here on PL, and were looking for goods, wouldnt you appreciate a little "heads up"?
Maybe its no big deal to you, but 15k to me, IS!

[steve-o]

Apparently, carlos, I missed that post .. sorry . .
You've made purchases "through PL" ?? As if this was a business???? lol.. dude .. it's a forum . No one's banned until they really fuck-up.. this could qualify, but I'd say contact the BBB or your laywer . PL is not a business site. Its a laser talk forum.
-edit- and btw, just because I posted after your comment does not mean that my comment was aimed at you .

[carlos3621]

but thats exactly my point Steve,
theres a few members here, that are treating this forum as a business, and me, trying to support certain members on this site, by purchasing their goods, feel they are not being truthfull.
I learned my lesson, but i feel like , as long as those sellers continue to try to scam people on this board, then why should i stop posting , about what i have experienced from them?
If anything, the next person looking to purchase from said members, would benefit from honest feedback.

When i first found this forum , many years ago, it was a grear place for information, and a great place to network, with people that are also into the same thing (lasers).
Today, i see alot of BS sellers, continuosly pushing their sales, which is not the problem, it's when they start ripping people off, that really irritates me.

[astatic]

Nicely said Jon.

I find the sort of bullshit we're seeing here really fires me up. There's a massive attitude from these guys and those like 'em that pop up and post their crap with no care or respect for the community (both long-time experienced and novice members that are here to learn from us all).

No level of arrogance on their part constitutes assurance of safety or respect to this community. In fact, it does the opposite. And this is why I think...

...THEY JUST DON'T GET IT.

...And on that basis, should they really be handling class 4s, never mind sell them?

This is how you treat people who are new to the community?
We only talk crap and got attitudes, nice to hear!
I'm happy not all of the pro's have this attitude!

[astatic]

Yeeah, ya did.. 'FREE', as-in, you have the FREEdom to tell me, and everyone else here, what to do, but no one is obligated to 'obey your commands'.. I was speaking mostly in-defense of planters, after you barked at him, which, imo, made you look pretty jerkish.

However, relative to your monetary-slant interpretation of 'free', as that relates to the support of this forum...

Show me where the required contribution part is then?
There's not, it's the choice of the admin to keep it free till the day HE decides to ask for a contribution.
I'm not having any trouble with your opinion about the advertisement, the only problem i'm having is that you put it everywhere you can instead of discus it with the owner of this forum.
And to get others think about this subject is ok, but open a subject for it and keep it there, i don't want to read about it in every advertisement which doesn't fit in your opinion.


Again, you aren't the 'boss' of this community, those that feel the need to harp on safety, for EDUCATIONAL-reasons, will do so to the extent, and as-often as they choose - IF it becomes 'too-much', the Admin - aka the 'Janitor' - is quite good at mopping-up sick...

And, sorry - but, I will say it again - OTHER members, also, are finding the constant 'sales-biased posts', especially when inserted into others' technical-discussion threads - as 'joost' was often fond of doing - to be getting *REALLY* tiresome, and, especially-especially, when they are not even - at least - 'contributing' financially. This forum is *supposed* to primarily-be about LEARNING / knowledge sharing.. eBay is over there... >>>

Again, i'm not saying i'm the boss, your brought that part up, so don't blame me for that.
Great, tell the admin that a couple of forum visitors are thinking the same way as you do and leave it up to him.
But what your doing is force your will to me and others, i'm only replying to you with how the "rules" are for this moment, but i think it doesn't matter what i say, you only want to hear what you think.

IF the community - including it's Admin, so-decides that, indeed, those that wish to sell sell sell, should-be Blued - or leave - what place, really, have you to try and 'command people to stop'? You are well-entitled to your opinion, but, they'll post as they please, not as you command..

Then don't! Freak-out all you want - I could care less.. I was merely reacting to your barking at planters, especially when - he was talking to ME, to begin with...
It's a free forum like you said, and maybe planters was responding to you, but in a subject anyone could react to it thats the meaning of a forum.

That's your opinion, i'm not going to argue about that.


Sorry, but a) anyone that uses their eyeballs as a POWER METER, is NOT a good-example of safe / best-practices, for this community, and should-be called out, as-such - so OTHERS learn what not-to do..

..b) as Norty and others stated, saying 'I'm safe, because I've been doing this so-long', is about-as 'valid' as someone who 'is not a 'real Doctor, but plays one on TV..' Are you gonna 'trust' their medical-advice?? I hope not! Again, for the benefit of new-ones / those learning this craft, they need to know, that is NOT a 'best-practice' approach to things. This is, in-fact, a SCIENCE, and whether for-business, or not, is best-conducted with at least a reasonable-measure of scientific-methodology / practices.

Oooh now you got a stick to hit me, because he used his eyeballs!
The only fact is that this information came up after i contacted Joost last evening by mail, telling him about this topic!
This information wasn't here when some of the "Pro's" blaming him for doing a unsafe show, there was even someone who blamed Joost for using the 9W inside!
Like some say that they could see from picture or movie if something is safe or not than i would expect he would also see that it wasn't a 9W inside, but as some of the facts are on the table it was not.
Now most of facts are on the table the security can be discussed and Joost can be warned because he probably did a unsafe show, i agree that you cannot say this by only check it with your eyes (i'm not gonne tell, i leave that to the people who know what there talking about).
To bad there are no numbers to calculate the MPE.

..and, Joost - ya *still* didn't answer my questions.. I guess I'll direct my Client's inquiry / business elsewhere...

'ciao'
j

This was my last post here on this forum.

[White-Light]

I'm just going to interject here once more on the subject of specification Joost.

I don't know whether your items do or don't make their stated powers, that's not an argument I'm going to get into, although it appears you stated above your 9W model actually makes 8.1 W.

You might want to be aware however of this: http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2...0081277_en.pdf

This is a UK law although it was enacted under European Wide Directives ie one that required every country in Europe to enact similar laws:

Directive 2005/29/EC of the European Parliament and of the Council concerning unfair business-to-consumer commercial practices (OJ No L 149, 11.6.2005, p22) (“the Directive”) and Article 6.2 of Directive 1999/44/EC of the European Parliament and of the Council on certain aspects of the sale of consumer goods and associated guarantees (OJ No L171, 7.7.1999, p12) (“the Sale of Goods Directive”).

It is now a Criminal Offence to in any way mislead a consumer including as the description / specification of a product.

In the UK the penalty is an unlimited fine and / or up to 5 years in prison.

As this was enacted under a European Directive requiring every EU member state to implement the Directive, you can be sure there is a parallel piece of legislation in the Netherlands and although the detail my vary slightly, the general thrust will be the same.

So my advice to you would be make sure your equipment is correctly described in every way and that you don't mislead anyone in any way as to description. eg describing a projector as Kvant when in actual fact it isn't but contains one or two Kvant modules, the fact the whole thing isn't Kvant is something that should be clear from the description, the same with powers, they should be rounded down not up so a projector that makes 8.1W on module specification would be better described as 8W or even better as 7W if you want to alleviate the risk of modules that come in slightly low.