Laser light show variance from the CDRH in record time

[blowfly]

That's great that X Laser is providing this service. I'm surprised that people can get laser show certifications this way though. Variances and product certifications make sense, but I guess the CDRH is granting show certification based on some generic set of show set ups provided by X Laser.

It's worth noting that even without X Laser's help, the variance application isn't too big of a deal to fill out. It's a 3 page form. You fill in the details and send it in. CDRH approved my variance this way in 2-3 months.

Mike

[LaNeK779]

By the way Buffo, How is it that you've made 2,147,485,458 posts....? Is that even possible?? lol!

Here is the answer http://www.photonlexicon.com/forums/...889#post142889
sorry to sidetrack this very interesting thread, carry on please.

an easy way to get variances is great news for all you guys

[dzodzo]

Someone should pass this info on the Kryo Man...

problem is he won't pass the test, more specifically the audience scanning part...

[Bradfo69]

It's worth noting that even without X Laser's help, the variance application isn't too big of a deal to fill out. It's a 3 page form. You fill in the details and send it in. CDRH approved my variance this way in 2-3 months.

Mike

Part of it is only three pages. (The application). The remainder, while redundant in many spots, was another 13 -14 pages when you take into consideration elevation maps, sample notification letters etc. Don't tell me they "approved" you with just the 3 page "application"!?!?!

Your submission should have been about 16-17 pages, copied into 4 sets plus an original.

[buffo]

taking the 'high-road' / doing it right, CAN BE DONE, and you CAN make a success of it.

Agreed. With this system in place, I don't really see how anyone can complain about the legal barriers preventing them from starting their own laser business.

this, in some ways, puts X-Laser at an-advantage over other, smaller Co's

Yep. It definitely puts X-laser on very competitive ground. They can offer a one-stop solution for someone wanting to get into the business.

One question I have: Typically, when you add another Certified-projector to your arsenal - I'm not talking about a 'temp x-rental' from, say, an LSDI, etc.. but, a permanent-add to your Co's projector-stock - Will they (X-L) also help you submit the amendment / get it on a 'fast-track'?

This is a good question, and it would probably be best to ask Dan directly.

My understanding is that the variance you get from X-laser covers all class IV projectors at all visible wavelengths up to 20 watts CW. So assuming that the new projector you purchase is within those limits, I'm pretty sure you don't need to amend the original light show variance that you got through X-laser in the first place. (This also assumes that the new projector you purchased was a legal projector that had already been certified under a valid manufacturing variance, of course.)

I guess the only time that it *might* be a 'concern' is if you, now, wish to design / submit your own Projector / Product, and get it, certified, under your Performance Var.

In that case, you'd need to get your manufacturing variance first and then submit a laser product report on your new projector design. Assuming it was approved though, I can't see any reason why you couldn't start using that projector with your existing variance.

Would probably be best to get Dan in here to weigh in on this topic though. I'm no expert!

Every laser-intentioned DJ and Club in the US needs to at least be aware of this, imo.

Agreed. It would go a long way towards protecting the industry from the "pro-DJ-Allen's" of the world...

...BUT WAIT...If you act now...The next 100 callers will also receive this....
Sorry man, sounded WAAAY too much like a commercial.

HAHA! Sorry about that Marc. Reading back through it, you're right, it does sort of sound like an advertisement. That was not my intent though. I just think this is a very cool way for people to get legal, and get legal fast. This has always been a major stumbling block for hobbyists, and there have been numerous threads posted about the CDRH here on PL. (In fact, the frustration with the CDRH is what led to me booking Casey Stack for the laser safety and compliance lecture at SELEM 2010.) Once I realized the implications of this X-laser E-X Variance Kit, I figured I needed to get the word out. But yeah, I tend to get caught up in my own hyperbole at times.

Again, sorry if it sounded like a paid ad for X-laser.

Variances for everyone have been going through rather quickly. The CDRH has really caught up on the backlog and are doing a very good job of approving new variances also.

Perhaps that has been the case for your customers, but I know of quite a few PL members who attended Casey Stack's presentation back in 2010 and filed for their variance soon after. All of them are *STILL* waiting for their light show variances. In one case, the dude has been waiting over 18 months! So not everyone is getting the same level of service.

I suspect that since you have submitted a relatively large number of applications for your customers, the CDRH is paying closer attention to your submissions, and that is why you are getting such fast service. But the hobbyists I've talked to have not been getting the same results.

Your submission should have been about 16-17 pages, copied into 4 sets plus an original.

That sounds about right. You are supposed to submit supporting documents to explain several sections of the original 3-page application. Sort of like the Laser product report, which starts out at something like 34 pages, but ends up being close to double that (or more) when you include all the supporting documents.

My understanding is that all that extra paperwork is generated on-the-fly by the X-laser portal. So when the whole package is submitted to the CDRH, all the supporting documents are already included.

Adam

[ZeroPoint]

Here is the answer http://www.photonlexicon.com/forums/...889#post142889
sorry to sidetrack this very interesting thread, carry on please.

an easy way to get variances is great news for all you guys

Thank you for that, and yes, sorry for the hijack.

Getting my CDRH variance has been a big topic for me lately since my intention of starting a legitimate laser business. X-Laser is definitely going to be the company that gets me going and I am very thankful for their EZ Variance kit. It's too bad they don't have a similar setup for the ARRA application here in Arizona ;-) I think the next big thing is going to be making the ILDA LSO training course more readily available to people. I know it is expensive and time consuming to organize a session but it is rather disheartening when the only options are a $1000 course that includes things like medical, industrial, and research applications or having to wait nearly a year and travel across the country for the ILDA course. It would be awesome if ILDA created an online course like the LIA has and could offer that to interested laserists via their website. Granted, it's easy for me to suggest this when I have no intention of being the one to create the course, but I think it would be a good idea none-the-less.