5 Truss clamps needed asap (for next week) 15KG strength per clamps preferred.

[masterpj]

actually it is "meant" (just helping you out here preventing you to constantly make that same mistake)

Hahaha your right! My apologies.
Thanks man.

Pieter Jan, why so unkind and trying to piss me off?
I was only helping you out.
If you don't want that just let me know, we are grown adults.
And i do expect a little respect from you when you talk to me, thank you!

Kind regards.

Well if it was helping me out, thanks I guess.
But personally I'd apreciate advice more that is actually accurate.
If i'd listened to the advice you were giving me I'd be overspending on safety that doesn't make the difference in this case.
Sure if you'd throw your idea's in, nothing wrong with that.

But if you'd say like: "oh yeah thats not safe" and start confronting me about my decision being a hazard and so forth it's not really helping to be really honest.
Basicly what you'd also be doing is that you could be marking a product as unfit (that is actually more then made for the task) which people are actually selling here on PL too.

[astatic]

Hahaha your right! My apologies.
Thanks man.
So you had to perfect me, and below you would blame me for giving me for giving you wrong info!

Well if it was helping me out, thanks I guess.
No sorry for the misunderstanding, like you made to other Bart?
But personally I'd apreciate advice more that is actually accurate.
See it like you see it, if only the cheapest advice is reliable for you then i'm sorry i advised you to buy expensive clamps, next time i will also do some searches to find a cheaper link.
If i'd listened to the advice you were giving me I'd be overspending on safety that doesn't make the difference in this case.
What is overspending in safety PJ, like i said you could also do search and find a cheaper webshop.
Of course the clamp and projector won't come down in normal situations, i was talking about the situation when disaster strikes, some extra safety could safe the audience and also could safe you.
Sure if you'd throw your idea's in, nothing wrong with that.


But if you'd say like: "oh yeah thats not safe" and start confronting me about my decision being a hazard and so forth it's not really helping to be really honest.
Basicly what you'd also be doing is that you could be marking a product as unfit (that is actually more then made for the task) which people are actually selling here on PL too.[/QUOTE]
I gave you my opinion and i explained why i choose these instead of others, and yes i still think that these clamps are not made for a kvant which weights 13kg, i think the safety margin is to narrow (when disaster stikes)
And like i said too Norty, maybe i overreact a little with the safety, i don't think that's a bad thing lately when i see the newspapers where 2 or 3 stages came down because of wind.

[norty303]

To be fair though, at the point a stage or grid is coming down, the quality of a single clamp is a moot point really.
In my opinion, using a 15kg SWL clamp on a 15kg is taking sufficient precautions, and will adequately satisfy any insurance requirements.

[White-Light]

Well I offered some 40kg SWL clamps above. They may not be as fancy as the circular type but they have the rating and no doubt being Doughty, do the job. If who ever wants clamps buys 15Kg clamps for a 13kg laser because they look fancier, then all I can is you only have your self to blame if they should fail. I'm a great believer in over rating everything. I'm a guy who'd rather put 3 screws in something than 1 and worry! Also agree with Steve, a safety cable of the heavy rating is a must to allow not only for the weight but also the drop.

[astatic]

To be fair though, at the point a stage or grid is coming down, the quality of a single clamp is a moot point really.
In my opinion, using a 15kg SWL clamp on a 15kg is taking sufficient precautions, and will adequately satisfy any insurance requirements.

In that case norty, even a clamp which could hold a elefant wouldn't help

[norty303]

If who ever wants clamps buys 15Kg clamps for a 13kg laser because they look fancier, then all I can is you only have your self to blame if they should fail.

But it's not a 15kg clamp, it's tested to hold 'at least' 150kg.

You are suggesting that a 15kg SWL clamp on a 13kg fixture 'may not be enough' which is complete nonsense and scaremongering.

[White-Light]

But it's not a 15kg clamp, it's tested to hold 'at least' 150kg.

You are suggesting that a 15kg SWL clamp on a 13kg fixture 'may not be enough' which is complete nonsense and scaremongering.

I never said the latter, simply that for anyone wanting to be sure, the clamps I offered are rated for 40kgs SWL.

[norty303]

I never said the latter, simply that for anyone wanting to be sure, the clamps I offered are rated for 40kgs SWL.

No you didn't, you said that anyone using a clamp rated for more than the weight of their fixture (15kg clamp on a 13kg fixture) then they only have themselves to blame.
Which, in any logical world, is complete nonsense. Clearly if it fails, when used a per spec, it is somebody elses blame. You, as a legal guy should understand that.

To get this whole lot back into perspective for a second...

When was the last time you even heard of a primary fixing failing? You hear tales of accidents where they are used inappropriately (the aforementioned G-clamp on an overhung fixture), or through poor maintenance (loose pinch bolt, etc), but much more common are reports of more significant structural failures, either whole stages or grids, or bars pulling away from walls, etc

In my opinion this is a greater issue. How many people simply walk into a venue and assume they can hang whatever they want on the supplied trussing? How many times do you check the load rating of the points that are put in? How old is the fixing into the masonry that holds that bar or truss to the wall?

[White-Light]

No you didn't, you said that anyone using a clamp rated for more than the weight of their fixture (15kg clamp on a 13kg fixture) then they only have themselves to blame.
Which, in any logical world, is complete nonsense. Clearly if it fails, when used a per spec, it is somebody elses blame. You, as a legal guy should understand that.

Again not quite what I said, I actually said "If who ever wants clamps buys 15Kg clamps for a 13kg laser because they look fancier, then all I can is you only have your self to blame if they should fail."

Technically, the manufacturer would be liable but do you really want the hassle of potentially claiming along with years of time and thousands of pounds if they refuse to pay out?

There such a thing as having a safety margin and personally I believe its unwise to load anything to its maximum rating especially when there are clamps out there equally as good which provide higher safety margins.

just my 2 cents.

[astatic]

But it's not a 15kg clamp, it's tested to hold 'at least' 150kg.

You are suggesting that a 15kg SWL clamp on a 13kg fixture 'may not be enough' which is complete nonsense and scaremongering.

Norty, maybe i can't find it but where do you read that these calmps can have 150kg, i only read 15kg max load
And i believe they can, no doubt they wouldn't