Pangolin ScannerMax

[swamidog]

celebritysites.com "The Place for Celebrity Experts' Online Marketing". that's an interesting choice.

I just saw a VERY small Pangolin banner at the bottom of the as page, so yeah, the association is very subtle.

Although, for anyone that has read up on Bill's family history, there is no doubt in my mind that the name for the new scanners is a tribute to his Dad, which is very cool...

[norty303]

Maybe I'm missing something but I see no mention of speed Norty, at least not in PPS terms, nor price.

You quoted Tom's bit where he talked about step times (time to cover distance = speed) from the brochure, and then went on to say no specs had been published about speed.

I was simply providing the link to the 'brochure' that Tom was referencing.

[White-Light]

You quoted Tom's bit where he talked about step times (time to cover distance = speed) from the brochure, and then went on to say no specs had been published about speed.

I was simply providing the link to the 'brochure' that Tom was referencing.

I guess it could be calculated although whether or not maximum possible step speed and actual repeatable step speed are the same is another matter, and one I'm most definitely not technically knowledgeable enough to comment on.

The point I was trying to make is no actual claims of PPS or price had been explicitly made. However, I take your point.

[dsli_jon]

I don't think Jon was suggesting a conspiracy. Rather, that if the new scanner motors are running on a competitor's driver then we are probably a lot further from a complete deliverable system from Pangolin

Egg-zactly. Actually, I wasn't even 'suggesting' that, I was merely observing / comparing that pic to the data in the ol 'J-ROMs' ..but.. since you mention it:

..called-it! ..and, for-future Ref, the 'full monty': ...

What does this 'prove'? Uuh-nuh <shrugs> I'm not posting to 'judge'.. But I guess, at least, it does 'prove' these aren't "ready by PhoWest".. (is that what it was?) IN any-case, it matters-not, and - I for one, am in *no place* to be 'throwing stones at people who are waaaay-behind' - ..then-again, I'm quite certain if my meager-Co. had P's 'wallet' / staff-count behind-it, such would not be the case... Anyhoo, so, I guess ya'll can take these pics / factoid for whatever it means to ya..

..as for 'me / my household', we're quite happy with an arsenal of 6215s, EMS 7Ks (..stoked to hear of the 7.1s, cool! and 4Ks.. Still, will be keen to give these lil' 6215-cloneish-lookin pups a good spanking... whenever it is they ship...

ciao
j

[Displaser]

Egg-zactly. Actually, I wasn't even 'suggesting' that, I was merely observing / comparing that pic to the data in the ol 'J-ROMs' ..but.. since you mention it:

Jon,

My comment wasn't aimed at you, rather it was in response to what White-Light had mentioned over the board being mounted upside down and "wondering if there was something they don't want us to see yet". I was just pointing out that this mounting method was typical for the Kvant projectors, that's it.

Greg

[dave]

80k 16 deg?

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[andyf97]

Anyone know who this is?

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[dsli_jon]

...My comment wasn't aimed at you...

No worries, Cap'n, I'll still put 'extra stuff in the box' when I ship somethin to ya in the future.. I didn't take it that way, anyway... and, again - not trying to chuck any molotov cocktails, here, just observing the 'peculiarity' of seeing a supposed 'new scanning system' being-demo'd with a (iirc'd) CT-amp, and, well.. lo and beho-busted..

We'll see what the future-brings...
cheerio..
j

[Pangolin]

Yawn, Just Marketing speak.. Building hype. Just show me a datasheet

Well I am happy to see that skepticism is alive and well, since I believe I'm the most skeptical guy around! Nevertheless, I'd like to see this same degree of skepticism for all manufacturers! As you've seen on the ScannerMAX web site, there is a datasheet. If all other manufacturers provided a datasheet as well, then you'd have something better to go on.

[Pangolin]

Tribble,

OK, If the data is accurate then these may be the BEST SCANNERS AVAILABLE ANYWHERE.

Yes, you've got it! The high torque-to-inertia ratio coupled with VERY low electrical resistance and low thermal resistance allow these scanners to provide sustained speeds and scan angles never before attainable. There are other benefits that the datasheet do not convey, and will be highlighted as we continue to build the web site.

One problem I see (Bill are you listening?) is what they describe as the extended rotor/mirror back support.

We're in the midst of producing a document that describes all aspects of galvanometer construction (both conventional construction and our approach). Once the document is completed, you'll be able to understand everything we do that is different, and why we do it. After that, if you can demonstrate that you've got information we haven't thought of, we'll hire you!

One suggestion, I am working on a modification for the Eye Magic scanners that reduces mirror mass by grinding down the back-outer edges of the mirror and converting the cross section of the mirror, viewed perpendicular to the shaft, from a rectangle to a trapezoid. This reduces the mass where it hurts the most and is unneeded. If the Pangolin engineer does the math, then this relatively straight forward operation will counter the radial shift of mass with a thicker mirror.

Hehe. The Pangolin engineer has done the math, I assure you! We also present the math in our large write-up so that anyone motivated can do the math themselves as well. What "the math" shows is a few things. First, already the mirror represents only the tiniest part of system inertia, so your change will certainly not allow faster scanning. Second, doing grinds as you propose -- with no other changes -- will throw the mirror off balance. It's my observation that Eye Magic already has a balance problem, so your change will only make images look worst by exciting resonances.

I am in the market for some improved scanners and so I have spoken to a distributor of Eye Magic and Cambridge models who states the sales have dried up in anticipation of the release of these new "super scanners" from Pangolin.

I really doubt that this could be the case. What I have seen from people who complain about sales is that the reason why people can't sell something is because they're bad salespeople in the first place! But there's an easy fix for that. There are sales training companies all around the world who teach people how to sell.