Club show in NY, audience scanning info

[hakzaw1]

A good start to doing it 'by the book' IMO would be to attend SELEM in Newton NC this Aug- 15 to 18(I added a day so you can be there to help do the set-up)== On the
Monday after you can take the Laser Safety Officer course(~$400+) it isheld at the same hotel where most of us stay- at the end of the course there is an open=book(PCs are OK) exam- which if you don't do a lot of homework in advance you will fail= you can take it again later(for free) but it makes more sense to know enough to pass it the first time. The above posts will give you a place to start that homework-- At SELEM there will be some great forum members who can offer advice but you REALLY need to know quite a bit BEFORE the event--

Passing the course will not make you a varianced operator but it is a good start IMO. Some try to get jobs with existing Lasershow Companies-- but I think you may discover that doing your own shows is very difficult and not at all like one imagines.
The older members here may remember 'Tuttor Turtle' cartoons on the Rocky and Bullwinkle show-- the post by Laser Wizardry jogged my memories- TTurtle would ask Mr.Wizard to make him something like a Lasershow operator once the saw how things really were he would cry out "''HELP ME Mr Wizard I don't want to be a Lasershow Operator" Then the Wizard would bring TT back... ==

To do what the posters above have done takes a LOT of dedication- and deep pockets. If you ignore the advice given and get into trouble , the fact that many others are doing the same will be no defense at all. GOOD LUCK--

hak

[Laser Wizardry]

" 15 characters"

[Laser Electronics Ltd]

That picture is really scary.
Has anyone here looked closely at the picture and seen the beam structure?
The burn pattern and the mode structure?
There are multiple frequencies that are dangerous and I'm guessing this is an imported laser.
It's certainly not anything that's been actually produced in the UK or US.
If someone claims it is they should provide proof they or someone else hasn't modified it?

[Bradfo69]

Karl, that video on Epic Lasers web site is probably one of the most disturbing I've seen. Yeah. I know we always talk about how the camera picks things up differently and "yadda, yadda". We often make excuses and say perhaps it was different live but, I can't possibly imagine that was in any way safe. I've seen their web site before and think they've even been discussed here but, that's the first time I've seen that video and, I feel suddenly passionate about seeing what we can do to go after them. Any suggestions? I don't even think sitting in the balcony at SELEM is as bad as what is being demonstrated in that video.

[Bradfo69]

http://www.photonlexicon.com/forums/...ht=Epic+lasers

Found it and read it again. I'll happily write to someone or call someone. There is just no excuse for that.

[Laser Wizardry]

" 15 characters"

[dsli_jon]

...There is a character here in Phoenix...Sooner or later the regulatory agencies, ...will catch up to him..

Too-bad Cassandra left.. I actually had managed to get them directly on her 'radar'.. She said she 'contacted them 2x, but did not get a reply'.. So, she had-planned to 'run it up, higher', but then, apparently, left / transferred, or (???) Anyhoo, yes, 'Lauren' is aware of them / that video.. Hope she, too, will find it 'holy....???!!'-offensive, and take some action... Guy needs a major Clue x brick.. We'll see..

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Hi Gianluca -

Welcome to PL.. but.. I have to strongly-echo what has been said in this thread - Don't do it. If for no-other reason - (...and, I will also echo the other 'not to be a dick or anything's, but...). We, as other 'now-aware' NYS Class B Lic. Ops, would have to report any illegal-shows we become aware-of, in NYS - especially, those with audience-scanning - even if you feel it's 'safe'...

..Reason-being, it's our obligation, under our Licenses, to do-so.. No, we're not 'laser-police', but.. just as you would 'take action' to-prevent someone from hurting someone else,ie: if you saw something about to go down, etc, likewise, we've got to at least *try* and 'educate', and, failing-that, report... And, yes - the new 'enforcement guy', is much more responsive / accessible, than those in the past..

..Your best-bet?

...i would totally forget audience scanning
if you need some help im kinda in you neck of the woods (and i am a nys class B license holder)

..I'd take him up on his kind-offer, and meet-up.. he can discuss the regs / show you how a safe-set up is, etc (..as-able, not making any-assumptions.. ..just-speaking from a 'knowledge of the Regs' / how to do a safe-show, etc-standpoint..)

Anyhoo, again, not trying to stick a fork in your a.. ...just echoing / re-enforcing the other posts, here..
ciao..

j

[White-Light]

Bradford, sending you a PM.

I have to say for a country with such strict laws, they're not enforced very well. In the UK if you reported a Health and Safety Violation, someone would probably be out within days to check and probably with events much quicker.

I know of a club night that was going to overfill a room, H&S got wind of it and within 24 hours they'd been forced to announce a change venue under threat of having the event shut down.

[LEDpaint]

Bradford, sending you a PM.

I have to say for a country with such strict laws, they're not enforced very well. In the UK if you reported a Health and Safety Violation, someone would probably be out within days to check and probably with events much quicker.

I know of a club night that was going to overfill a room, H&S got wind of it and within 24 hours they'd been forced to announce a change venue under threat of having the event shut down.

Yes, enforcement here seems nonexistent. I've reported Epic Lasers, Kryo Man, and some Kryo Man ripoff out of NYC multiple times. Nothing has happened to any of them. There's also a ton of illegal operators in Brooklyn and NYC that I compete with, and even when I tell promoters these people aren't legal, I end up seeing videos of their shows posted after the fact.

[Giacopin]

(..as-able, not making any-assumptions.. ..just-speaking from a 'knowledge of the Regs' / how to do a safe-show, etc-standpoint..)[/I]

Anyhoo, again, not trying to stick a fork in your a.. ...just echoing / re-enforcing the other posts, here..
ciao..

j

I already spoke to him yesterday and we had a 15 minutes conversation.If i can i will meet him personally in NY this w.e. I am now aware of most of the rules and i think i will start soon to get my federal variance as this would be my first step, right? then maybe i will check how much will it cost to fix my PJ eventually i will get rid of it and i will buy one with a variance.

The point guys is that i bought a pretty small laser(considering what others are using) on ebay with the main purpose to use it at my own parties and to play with it at home just because i like it. The post on ebay was saying that it was safe and ready for use in any venues club or lounges and maybe i was dumb to not check before the rules of this country and especially NY. As many other i thought it was "just a light", now i know it's not and thank you again for warning me.

I don't think i am hurting anyone business here as my parties are parties with 150/200 ppl and i could never afford to rent a laser from a certified/professional/legal companies.

I just ask you to understand my point...i was just trying to add some more effects to my own parties....i know now that i am doing something that needs variances and certified equipments in this country.

Thank you
G