Club show in NY, audience scanning info

[Giacopin]

Hello everybody

i spent the last 2 weeks reading everything in here:

http://www.photonlexicon.com/wiki/in...fety_Overviews

I spoke with John which also sent me other links about NY state law and also the FDA variance application,

i still have a question:

First of all in order for me to even buy a certified laser i should obtain an FDA variance right?

John sent me this form but i find hard to fill it out
http://www.fda.gov/downloads/aboutfd.../ucm080788.pdf

Like in section 7a LIST NAME AND/OR MODEL NUMBER(S) FOR THE LASER LIGHT SHOW(S) AND PROJECTOR(S)
I don't know what to type in here as i don't have any projector/show.

Can somebody help me?

About the laser that i bought on ebay i am still trying to deal with the guy that sold it to me and trying to return it. In the meantime i have notified him to ebay.

[Steve Milani]

I think (not for sure) It mean the type/model of each single projector used for your show and the total number of them you use.
Example: (factories names and model names are fantasy names...)

- Photonlight, model "Alpha 1000 RGB" - no.1
- Photonlight, model "Beta 3000 G" - no.2
- Photonlight, model "Omega 5000 B" - no.5

(In this example list appear a total of 8 (eight) porjectors.)

[ZeroPoint]

First of all in order for me to even buy a certified laser i should obtain an FDA variance right?

John sent me this form but i find hard to fill it out
http://www.fda.gov/downloads/aboutfd.../ucm080788.pdf

Like in section 7a LIST NAME AND/OR MODEL NUMBER(S) FOR THE LASER LIGHT SHOW(S) AND PROJECTOR(S)
I don't know what to type in here as i don't have any projector/show.

Can somebody help me?.

Though I am not a varianced operator (yet) I am fairly certain you will need a projector first before you can get an operator variance since (as you noticed) they ask for the details of the equipment you will be using. Your best bet (and the route I am going to take when I finally have the means to do so) is to buy a projector from http://x-laser.us/ They are a US based company with all of their bases covered so all of their products are approved for use in the US, plus They offer an EZ Variance kit when you buy one of their projectors (it's something like $50 and well worth it). With The EZ Variance kit you basically just fill out your own personal information and they take care of all the technical stuff. From what I hear you actually receive your variance quicker by using their system than trying to do it yourself. It is by far the simplest way to getting a variance. Also, Dan (the owner of X-Laser) is a member of this forum and I have seen him personally reply to customers here so the customer service beats almost anything you might get elsewhere.

(Edit - I believe the EZ Variance kit is just for the projector so you will still need to fill out a few additional federal and local forms before being able to use the projector in public but it is definitely the first step in fulfilling all of the necessary requirements)

[White-Light]

Just a quick warning, watch out for X-Laser products from China either via ebay or other means. I believe Dan said they were a copy brand and not US legal. Only genuine X-Laser USA Products are varianced.

[ZeroPoint]

WOW! I had no idea X-Laser was being ripped off. But I guess it's true what they say, "Imitation is the highest form of flattery". That really sucks for X-Laser though if their name and reputation get dirtied because of a copycat.

[hakzaw1]

Good advice
+ rep

Dan is great--and very helpful - he helps sponsor LEMS & knows his lasers.

about off brands with names almost the same..

pick any name and misspell it and chances are high that somebody already has a domain name almost the same-- this is done to 'steal' potential buyers who happen to misspell the seller domain name that they were actually looking for..a dirty trick IMO..the most common... either add an 'S" or dele one.

Knowing the city or country will keep you from making a mistake.


hk

[Bradfo69]

Yes, it's been a problem for X-Laser USA.

The problem with this process is that in order to buy a projector in the US, you need to have a variance and the seller is supposed to confirm that you have one before selling it to you but, in order to complete the variance process, they ask you to list equipment you may use along with the accession number of the projector. It's a little convoluted but, here is the deal... you can list anything whether you own it or not because in theory you could rent what you need when you do a show. My variance for example contains things I will probably never own or use BUT, the door has been left open should I ever choose to. Also, you can add stuff later on. For example, in my variance, I'm approved for Image Engineering 3500-T, Laser Images CS-DX, Mobolazer ML-10 300, Laser Fantasy Infinity 2000, Laser Media model LM-10, LSDI Compact 2 or 8. I don't have the faintest clue what any of them are except the Mobolazer.

I'm not "up" on what the best thing to do is, as I had some assistance with completing my paperwork but, I'm sure someone knowledgeable with the process may chime in. I agree that X-Laser has made the process very easy and a great way to get started is with an X-Laser projector.

[mixedgas]

Zeropoint,

If you build your own or modify an existing unit, you may file the Manufacturer's report at the same time. I did, and no regrets.
It just takes longer if they ask for changes or corrections to the hardware document.
Steve

[Stiffler]

Zeropoint,

If you build your own or modify an existing unit, you may file the Manufacturer's report at the same time. I did, and no regrets.
It just takes longer if they ask for changes or corrections to the hardware document.
Steve

Hey Steve,

How much paperwork is *really* involved, and does the projector need to be inspected? I have searched the forum for this information in the past, and couldn't find any definitive answers. Most people who have done it are either secretive about the process, or claim that it is too hard (and that everyone should just buy a projector from them). I'm actually surprised that the process doesn't have it's own sticky.

-Eric

[Laser Wizardry]

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