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    Quote Originally Posted by planters View Post
    I think we also need to look at much better encryption, quantum encryption (yes I know it has limits, but let's make listening VERRRY hard), proxy hosts, artificial internet persona and disposable internet persona. If it became overwhelmingly common to buy and sell with a currency that was not tied to a particular government and was untraceable to an individual then taxing becomes way, way more hard. What has your government done for you recently? Have you gotten your money's worth?

    These are a few things that I think may help establish the reset button. Maybe there won't be so many generals left to aim the...



    That is a sore point between me and my wife.
    WADR planters no digital currencies are untraceable...I assure you big blue is tracking all block chains and if you think you have "money" or Bitcoins...i assure THEY know you have them too. The nature of mining coins is determined by verifying the block chains of data...its more than an illusive random stack of numbers...by verification of block chains...it is an EXACT history of all transactions...research it...anonymity is the "story" not the truth.

    Gold and silver bullion are tangible, fungible, and have ZERO third party risk...just sayin'
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    Just like Mars was an example, so is bitcoin. Bitcoin is not the answer, but the answer will probably involve money. The government's ability to print without limit and to tax without limit is really the source of most of its power. Nancy couldn't hurt us without her disproportionate control of the money. Even soldiers have to be paid. The rest of the government's power arises from its control of information. This is why they are so pumped up about Snowden. He woke a sleepy public (worldwide) to the extent to which they are attempting to control and monitor information.

    No, probably not bit-coin, but a distributed and absolute (can't just print some and say your rich) and better yet, untraceable form of money and THEN you'll see world's governments squirm.

    WADR planters no digital currencies are untraceable.
    Traceable to who. Max Headroom? I am not trying to prove you wrong, I am trying to evaluate this and if gold and silver as physical substances can be untraceable then digital substances can be untraceable in a digital realm where the code that defines them is unlinked to a route.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Laserman532 View Post
    The entire monitory / credit system is a complete facade an illusion to enslave the planet to serve the few (as pointed out earlier with the post on the wealthy folks).
    EXACTLY.

    We may have our differences in opinions, but this is not one of them.

    The stock market makes my head hurt: After the IPO, there is no direct tie between stock price and the company it represents, but people fall over themselves buying & selling intangible ideas to get rich. It is all very silly, but much to my dismay, it is the way of the powers that be. Lets take for example Apple- Apple has roughly $160 BILLION held in off shore banks. Lately Apple's stocks have taken a hit because they are not reinvesting their capital, but that has ZERO affect on their $160 billion, or their capabilities to churn out Iphones. Their stock could go to zero, and they would still be the most profitable company in the USA (and probably Earth). Yet people will still build & lose fortunes based on Apple's stock prices. Obviously this is an extreme case, but it is a good example of the ridiculousness of the stock market.

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    Quote Originally Posted by planters View Post
    Just like Mars was an example, so is bitcoin. Bitcoin is not the answer, but the answer will probably involve money. The government's ability to print without limit and to tax without limit is really the source of most of its power. Nancy couldn't hurt us without her disproportionate control of the money. Even soldiers have to be paid. The rest of the government's power arises from its control of information. This is why they are so pumped up about Snowden. He woke a sleepy public (worldwide) to the extent to which they are attempting to control and monitor information.

    No, probably not bit-coin, but a distributed and absolute (can't just print some and say your rich) and better yet, untraceable form of money and THEN you'll see world's governments squirm.



    Traceable to who. Max Headroom? I am not trying to prove you wrong, I am trying to evaluate this and if gold and silver as physical substances can be untraceable then digital substances can be untraceable in a digital realm where the code that defines them is unlinked to a route.
    you are John Gault - you want to make them squirm??? exit their game, no IRA's, NO stocks, No money in banks. Only do the bare minimum to reinforce the paradigm.

    You can't prove me wrong, because Im right Digital currencies are not tangible assets, they have no intrinsic value and you must find someone to take them from you for their goods or services. Nore are federal reserve notes. Weal have been tricked since 1913 - Creatures of Jeclel Island. Digital currencies are the cats meow to the elite...it is still a banking system and you think you own it...dont be fooled...the elite want a digital currencies...killing trees to make paper or phosphor for your computer screen is expensive. There are bit coin millionaires that have the illusion that they are going to make MILLIONS OF DOLLARs and not report taxes... fools...

    If you want to make em squirm...stop giving them credibility by working your ass off and putting it in their banks to play with. It is a fools game

    If you offered me 5 gold coins or 5 bit coins...Ill take the coins please...at least I could make a lovely necklace. digital currencies -ooooohhhhhhhhhhh now thats something to relay on.

    With digital currencies...one must consider EMP or solar flares and now you have a receipt for bit coins when the internet turns back on...you can take a silver coin and barter for food if someone has extra...best bet is to stock your own food then sell it for silver
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    bill hicks says it best...

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fZkhR8suCF4
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    Not bad...Plus he wants to explore Space:-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stiffler View Post
    Not bad...Plus he wants to explore Space:-)
    I think the point is without wars, human potential is unlimited But the most important message is...the ride has influenced your mind to believe that the ride is real. You can choose to make your own reality...that is why I am John Gault and I only concentrate inside of my circle of influence and everything else is just.....stuff
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    Planters as Polyanna? My tiny and excoriated mind is reeling from the blow of the visual impact. never mind, just being surreal here..

    About Bitcoin, that got bit recently. Badly. I wouldn't trust it any more than any other currency, and likely less unless it gets so widespread that its value isn't so easily forced to change. For untraceable value, we have barter. or at least an ability to set a price, but I remember from recent discussions about undeclared prices of laser gear that this is entirely contentious. I won't go there, not because it's contentious, but because it's boring as well.

    What I find interesting is a thread in the discussion that seems to connect to but not mention that evolution can be convergent as well as divergent. If certain theories are to be reckoned with, the largest possible scale we can conceive of is a repeated renewal of the universe in collapses and expansions. Personally I suspect it might equally be a form of steady state not yet modeled usefully, so again, it's an imponderable I won't go to.

    What interests me is this repeat renewal thing itself. That pattern persists on so many scales. The more interesting threads on PL all do it, diverging from a core subject, returning to it, diverging again, etc. I'm not big on meditation but I do know that one of the most famous forms is a lotus form based on the idea of many petals, meaning no matter how often you ponder some 'petal' of it you return frequently to the centre. Just thinking that way does some cool stuff. We see all the things around us as if that stuff is the important stuff. The idea of some notional overarching connection is what most people call 'abstraction'. But spend a while specialising in generalisation, any study of how certain patterns scale pretty much everywhere, and this starts to look like illusion. The 'things' are really the abstractions. The original 'abstraction' is really looking to the core, the deeper reality. We don't have to get all mystical to see it, we just have to think and watch and it happens. Most learning is only possible because of this. Every time we return to a notional centre, or familiar ground, we learn more if we do not return exactly the way we came.

    Now, as science itself is beginning to publish a few ideas of 'convergent evolution' (please don't ask me to cite, I just saw stories on the BBC website that didn't surprise me because I've seen this coming for a long time anyway), it may not matter if our descendants all come from Bill Gates or Richard Branson. Actually that would be a bit sad.. I never believed in only one 'Adam' or 'Eve' either. What I do believe is that nature abhors waste, and re-uses every manifestation of itself repeatedly, which is why nearly every atom in all our bodies has been in a star, and will no doubt go through one again sometime. What has been will be again, in some extension beyond what it was. The connectedness implied by quantum entanglement means that we can split all the 'things' we like in notions of positivist and divisive thinking, but reality just doesn't work like that. The amazing thing about this is that the question of whether we exist alone in the universe or not doesn't even matter. The fact that we are prepared to put people to live in space means that existence is ready to do it. That sounds like tautology, but it's not exactly. It means the only way we'll ever discover if ET exists is to get out there so we live in the same territory where we expect to find ET. That's no weirder than saying if we want to find fish we should go to sea. Not that I'm saying we should EAT ET if we find them... Bit if ET is found, stranger things even than that may happen.

    If 'things' and 'events' are the abstractions, they have no meaningful existence until they are done. Old philosophies have told us that for millennia, but now quantum mechanics is bellowing it at us, so we might as well listen to it because it's not going away. Just doing stuff puts pattern into existence. And we don't need our egos do smack it in there like hitting it with a hammer either. Just doing it is enough.

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    I walked into that facility in 1980 and installed a mode locked, sync pumped, cavity dumped, picosecond dye laser with full diagnostics, about a 250K$ laser on a 4 x 10' floating newport table. I was told it was going to be a diagnostic tool for the installation. I had a special parking spot, big lights blinking, danger laser signs everywhere, security force with their own security force. I was 24 years old and an applications engineer for SP. I was overwhelmed with the installation. They showed me the main oscillator room, amplifier sections and target chamber. I did not have a special security clearance or anything, Im not sure that I would have spotted any secrets if they showed them to me. I was high on lasers at LLNL thinking of the future potential for the worlds most powerful laser, that was 34 years ago. How many poor people could have been fed with the funds that facility has burned, needless to say, the HUNDREDS of other projects going on there. So to see this news today? HO HUMMMMM they might have well announced that they have mastered mounting lasers to sharks heads. It is just unnecessary IMHO
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    Quote Originally Posted by Laserman532 View Post
    I was high on lasers at LLNL thinking of the future potential for the worlds most powerful laser, that was 34 years ago. How many poor people could have been fed with the funds that facility has burned, needless to say, the HUNDREDS of other projects going on there. So to see this news today? HO HUMMMMM they might have well announced that they have mastered mounting lasers to sharks heads. It is just unnecessary IMHO
    But after what you've seen maybe you're just thinking that it all looks dimmer than it should since, given the spend? Jaded in increasing age even? I think that's a pattern that scales pretty much for most of us one way or another unless we find something else to make us feel like we did when we were younger. Not easy, hence the need for renewal...

    Whatever... here's something to bung into the discussion:
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-26017957
    The Big Neutwino Wabbit Hunt. Waste? Or worth it? I think it's worth it.

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