FB4 Released!

[edison]

"more safe" than... If I lived or had to visit an area where I feared violence then caring a gun would make me feel more safe while there, but I may feel less safe than if I remained unarmed and never went there.

You use the word "fear"and that is exactly in my opinion why most people think they need a gun and that drives the gun industry. The industry is happy to drop oil on that fire and sell it as buy a gun and be prepared. But they don,t take responsibillty by incl safety course when selling a gun. When selling something dangerous like gun or a projector the least a manufacturer could do is include a safetylens with a projector as standard. That way at least some safetymeasures are taken. I hope in the future a safetycourse is obbligated when buying a projector. A projector is not a toy and it never will be....They only will get more dangerous and safety measures need to be taken when its by the goverment or the manufacturer. Sure at the end of the day the operator is responsible but partial the manufacturer is too.

[norty303]

Careful Edison, you're at dangerous risk of getting nearly back on topic...

[planters]

White-light,
The Israelis have much the same attitude as the Swiss.

The problem that gets uncomfortable to talk about and guns become the surrogate, is that there are a lot of BAD people in the United States. It's the people that create the problems. We have very different demographics then Switzerland.

You use the word "fear"and that is exactly in my opinion why most people think they need a gun and that drives the gun industry. The industry is happy to drop oil on that fire and sell it as buy a gun and be prepared. But they don,t take responsibillty by incl safety course when selling a gun. When selling something dangerous like gun or a projector the least a manufacturer could do is include a safetylens with a projector as standard. That way at least some safetymeasures are taken. I hope in the future a safetycourse is obbligated when buying a projector. A projector is not a toy and it never will be....They only will get more dangerous and safety measures need to be taken when its by the goverment or the manufacturer. Sure at the end of the day the operator is responsible but partial the manufacturer is too.

I agree with this.

Careful Edison, you're at dangerous risk of getting nearly back on topic...

You mean this isn't the topic? I forget. What was the topic? I'll go look.

[Bradfo69]

You mean this isn't the topic? I forget. What was the topic? I'll go look.

I know it annoys some but... it's one of the reasons I love this forum so much. It's not like there's much to talk about with the FB4 at this point so.... why NOT gun control for the heck of it. It'll come back around to the FB4 at some point.

[White-Light]

A projector is not a toy and it never will be....They only will get more dangerous and safety measures need to be taken when its by the government....

They already are supposed to be safety checks, at least in Europe, as clubs are supposed to be checked.

As for the manufacturer, the easiest way to educate people of the dangers would be a simple free online safety course. Then again, you can't tape people to a chair and force them to watch it....

...and I rather think that if, as you seemed to be implying earlier by mentioning licensing, it were a complex course involving MPE calulations, that you'd have even more cheap price competition as suddenly everyone would be qualified to "safely" audience scan with cheap chinese projectors. I have little doubt the manufacturers would provide it for free if it meant defending their sales, so I'm not sure you'd restrict the professional market by requiring it, so much as expand it and your competition, massively.

I personally, think the answer to safe commercial operation is four fold:

1. Anyone operating commercially should have to have taken and passed an approved laser safety course

2. The ILDA 10x proposal should be trialed and adopted so as to provide clubs / operators with a means of providing bright legal beams that don't damage eyes (thus alleviating the desire of clubs / operators to go illegal to satisfy the audience). Yep I know Bill's lenses exist but some still prefer unsoftened beams and in some situations, some operators might still want more brightness than they can get from lenses alone.

3. Proper checks and enforcement - regular checks at clubs and all one off events to be checked before going live.

4. Prevention of local authorities etc implementing their own policies / rules such as banning audience scanning or requiring the operators to jump through extra hoops - the idea here is to prevent it from being driven underground by draconian or unnecessary rules.

[dzodzo]

and what exactly is the "future" in lightning control in terms of FB4? what futuristic aspects are there that are not yet available with other solutions? does anyone know this?

[JohnYayas]

and what exactly is the "future" in lightning control in terms of FB4?

Perhaps an ILDA laser show channel on a ROKU box. Just guessing.

[norty303]

This was my query in my FB4 rumours and speculation thread too. I put a certain amount of it down to marketing speak, which is to be expected with any product launch, but as has been shown in this thread, some of the options available for control via lighting consoles (CTP, RDM, etc) is fairly unique in the market place. They have clearly listened to LDs and their issues with lasers and integration.

I know others are wary of this, but in a world where most new advances are coming from integration and communication, I see that having options is a bonus, not a threat. Doesn't mean I'm going to use them, but if being able to supply a projector that someone wants to control their own way, versus them going to another supplier, I think most businesses would want to be the person to say 'yes, I can supply that'.

[Bradfo69]

So, here is the video I shot at FLEM concerning the FB4 (and some other Pangolin goodies.) The video itself is not well shot and I actually just set the camera down on a table for a bit but, we all look kinda the same so you're not missing much. I'd already been hand holding it through an earlier presentation on the new DZ/EK Advanced ILDA Router which will undoubtedly surface here very soon. Get your wallets ready for THAT! "Cause you WILL want one. But.... get in line behind me.

http://youtu.be/n90kgify7Bo

As I type this, it's in the processing phase but should be live momentarily. I'm going to drop it in the FLEM thread as well.

[rns0504]

Looks like prices have been posted on the Pangolin site