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    into the PSU though???). Should I be switching to an external tickler igniter? The reason I did not use one in the first place is that I suspected that it would not work with a water cooled tube effectively connected to ground.

    yeah, the ticklers only work on a few tubes, you were right to do series injection

    In factory test, they leave the inputs floating,and it shoots up to the max limit. one of the things I've built but havent got around to trying is using a LEM magnetic current sensor as feedback. I need to determine how much I'd need to lowpass filter the LEM output
    so ther NO chance of oscillation, the light board if you have it is a darn handy thing!. Do you need a light board? its one opamp, a 2n2222 and some Rs and Cs. It uses ceramic discs as attenuators in front of a selected silicon photocell. I also have a few of the photcells and pickoffs if you need one.

    12 inches is gonna be 1-2 watts or so.


    Since I don’t have an optical power meter I had in mind using a thermister on a small block of carbon and a heating wire attached to the thermister. My idea was to use an op amp to control the current to the heating wire to maintain the thermister at a constant temperature well above ambient. The difference between the electrical power going to the heating wire without incident light and that with the laser light incident on the sensor should be a decent measure of the optical power of the laser. It’s not really my idea but just applying the principle of the force restoration balance to

    you can do that, or install the light pickoff, which screws to the optics mount, or you can
    use a small TE cooler mounted to a heat sink and painted black with carbon paint.


    The distance between the two points you mentioned on the tube is a hair over 12 inches. I have included photos with X’s marked on the points I used for measurement in case I used the wrong points.


    I imagine that floating inputs might account for erratic behavior like perhaps the mild flickering of optical output I saw. From your look at the schematic does it appear to you that the optical feedback is essential?


    The factory techs disconnect it for long periods of time, but yes you want to get some form of current or light control as running at max current all the time is a pain, tube life is very dependant on current, less is better in a watercooled to a point, ie you want four or five amps flowing through it minimum. And in the basement, some times a few mW is all you need to work with. And yes, that would explain some flicker. Dirty optics also are a major contributer to flicker.

    When your close to a repair being completed, my medical friend has agreed to walk you through a proper setup for a few minutes on the phone.

    I just hope a 1 foot tube is enough voltage drop to make that supply happy, if not we add one or two ohms of series reistance.

    This thing really is starting to sound like something in between a lexel 75 and a lexel 88 in size.

    Steve

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    Steve,

    The light board on the schematics for the HGM-5 looks very simple but I don’t have a suitable pickoff and I’m not sure the photocells I have are suitable. If you have some spares please send me a PM with info on what you have and how much you want for them.

    I’m not sure I get the TE cooler approach you mentioned to measuring optical power. My first thought is passing a current to cool the exposed face of the TE cooler and measuring the electrical power required to maintain the sensor at constant temperature when it is exposed to the laser light. This might require a PID controller to make it work but I think it would enable measurement of absolute power.

    Maybe you had in mind measuring the reverse thermoelectric effect? I tried it – a 29mW Argon laser produced about 10mV potential across my TE cooler – cool! It does not seem to provide a way to measure absolute power but at least it will measure power relative to a known laser. If I understand the effect, the relationship between temperature difference and voltage is linear. The relationship between absorbed radiation and temperature rise might not be linear though. Perhaps the nonlinearity is not enough to matter?

    Once I get my PSU repaired I will be back in touch.

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    I am the buyer of the working HGM that Roger speaks of.

    I'm not very adept with argons, but I can tell an anode from a cathode and a mosfet from a choke
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    If that is truely a unhacked hgm suppy, a small 4 pin "molex" connector should be hanging off the back with two wires. It should be across emitter resistors in the psu as a form of current measurment for service engineers. use a floating voltmeter (DMM with battery power) to measure the small amount of voltage there as it sits at line potential, it will only be a few hundred mV DC. . I'll call my friend and get the V to I conversion factor for you.
    Straight from the laser FAQ: At the back side of the tube there is a 4 pin molex hanging free on white wires. light the tube, put in a isolated battery powered plastic cased voltmeter and the reading times 30 is the tube current.

    I haven't tried it yet. Perhaps on Saturday.

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    That quote from the laser faq was written by "mixed gas", aka Steve Roberts, above. He and I have discussed that number a few times already.

    If it is correct, then that means I was sending over 44 amps down that tube when I had my 903 tube cranked up wide open.

    I don't think that's right. For one, I never measured more than 20 amps draw from the wall outlet... There's no way you're getting 44 amps of DC at 170 volts from just 20 amps of 220V AC. For another, there would have been a lot more heat released. And finally, the wires that feed the head are not sized large enough to routinely carry 44 amps of current.

    Bottom line, I don't think that 30X factor is accurate. But at SELEM we're going to put a high current DC ammeter in the line to see for sure.

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    [QUOTE=buffo;49409]That quote from the laser faq was written by "mixed gas", aka Steve Roberts, above. He and I have discussed that number a few times already.

    If it is correct, then that means I was sending over 44 amps down that tube when I had my 903 tube cranked up wide open.


    Its times 20 , I called Bruce.

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    Ahhh... Ok - a factor of 20 makes more sense. That would put my maximum current at around 29 amps, and my idle current at 9 amps. That's reasonable.

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    And that would make my idle at 7 amps and max at 34 amps. I have a wide bore by the way; it's about 2.5mm

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    Ahhh.. That's good to know. Yours is a stock HGM5 tube, right?

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    As far as I know

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    Hello,

    i have recently adquired 2 HGM model 5 laser units, none have the foot pedal, one of the units seems to be missing the pulse starter board, the otherone looks complete, i hooked up to 220v turned the key power it up and i got the display going but no laser output, is there any other thing i need to do to get it running.

    Thanks

    Eduardo

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