Etiquette AND Protocol When Dealing with Senior Engineers, Artists and Programmers.

[keeperx]

Worship ME and ME only!

Fair + Wise = Steve

Bambi...good eatin'

In reference to Worship me...
(Sarcasm - Sarcasm is proverbially said to be the lowest form of wit.[3] It is often associated with the use of irony. Hostile, critical comments may be expressed in an ironical way such as saying "don't work too hard" to a lazy worker. The use of irony introduces an element of humor which may make the criticism seem more polite and less aggressive but understanding the subtlety of this usage requires second-order interpretation of the speaker's intentions.)

hey thats my turf your stepping in..

(your not actualy stepping in grass that i own, i was using the words for something other that their literal intention - irony rules)

[James Lehman]

hey thats my turf your stepping in..

(your not actualy stepping in grass that i own, i was using the words for something other that their literal intention - irony rules)

That's metaphor, you f#&king id10t!

Irony would be me sarcastically calling you a f#&king id10t in a thread about "Etiquette AND Protocol".

James.

[White-Light]

I think as well care has to be taken not too take offence to easily at what others say, tones can come across differently when expressed over the internet than in person and sense of humour and thus sarcasm is different from country to country.

I once offended a bunch of American gamers with sarcastic but funny remarks. The problem was as Americans they didn't fully understand that aspect of British humour and so whilst it was funny to most British people, they found it offensive. Purely a case of the difference in the cultural background. I dare say there would be aspects of American humour that applied the other way round.

Also, everyone puts their foot in it now and again. The key is not what was said but how you respond.

Even if someone was rude you can be polite back and if really offended politely point out that you thought the post was offensive. Its surprising how often that triggers an apology from someone who didn't realise the post was read in that way, or where it was deliberate, admits they overstepped the mark because of tiredness, frustration etc.

Then what do you expect me to say to that young kid in Germany a while back who said 400 mW audience scanning at 2 meters to eyeball with invited nonlaserist guests in his apartment was perfectly safe, and then made comments that 87 mW in a static beam was not a hazard. He posted pictures of point blank scanning from a high power yag.

I wasn't around for that Steve, but I always think the best way to get through to people is with reasoned argument and examples of damage caused rather than argument. After all how many of us went out and did things when we we younger simply because someone told us not to?

[laserLips]

Sorry for flaming the guys in the "Firing things other than lasers" Thread.

[keeperx]

Lets start a reference section where we can post REFERENCE material (not opinion).

For instance, all the information on variances, Charts graphs, reports, studies, REFERENCE...

This would allow senior members to quickly point people in the right direction and hopefully stop stupidity at the source (misinformation). Im not talking about scanner builds, im talking about all that great material thats already out there.. in one place.

some examples
DrLava's charts
how a beam splitter works
aligning your lasers faq
how is laser power measured
etc etc etc...

reference material does not need to be commented on, except by moderators. allow some of our "very senior" active members mod access. And when i say very senior im talking about knowledge, not age...

every library needs a fiction section, a non fiction section, and a reference section

[Zoof]

reference material does not need to be commented on, except by moderators. allow some of our "very senior" active members mod access. And when i say very senior im talking about knowledge, not age...

not a bad idea for having a reference section but the 'selection of our senior members' is bound to start something of a flaming war here on PL. Drawing a line like that may not be a very good idea. It should be a community process or else we are bound to loose some valuable members here - or some may feel they need to compensate for their lack of status in the normal threads.

Everyone has his/her own bit of expertise......

Maybe everyone can contribute until the topic has been covered well and then someone who is generally seen as the `knowledge owner' can delete the non-contributing and false posts, then summarize.

Or maybe it is time to have a PL-wiki?

[buffo]

I agree with everything you said, Zoof. It's easy for ego's to get out of control (including mine!).

Or maybe it is time to have a PL-wiki?

This is a great idea that we've talked about more than a few times. It's a lot of work though, and I don't know if Spec is ready to take on the extra burden. There was some intial testing going on a few months ago, but then it stopped.

Still, if Spec is willing, I'm ready to help out with a PL-Wiki...

Adam

[keeperx]

Ehh.. WiKi's fail... trust me ..
there is an integrated WiKi for vB, its cheap, only 60 bucks
http://www.nuhit.com/wiki/Main_Page

But in my opinion as someone that has run moderated forums before, there is a good way to do it.

You have content editors. They are not the keepers of the knowledge, they just decide what is reference worthy. Anyone can post, and the the content editors review the post and accept, or decline it. Then the post is open for scrutiny until it is proven, dis-proven, or a difference of opinion is reached. At time the post is closed. content editors would be responsible for adding content to, or reopening closed posts. Content editors would also try to keep posts on track and certainly not be barred from participation.

Thoughts?



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the idea is that the moderators are moderators and not given any real power of the actual bias of the content. They must accept any submission that meets the requirements, whatever they be.

[Stuka]

Seeing that many of the "content providers" would probably be familiar names -

Unless it was HEAVILY & continuously moderated or edited, a wiki sounds like it could rapidly degrade into yet another site for swapping jabs for or against a favored or disliked idea / software / hardware.

History, unfortunately, tends to repeat itself....

[keeperx]

Seeing that many of the "content providers" would probably be familiar names -

Unless it was HEAVILY & continuously moderated or edited, a wiki sounds like it could rapidly degrade into yet another site for swapping jabs for or against a favored or disliked idea / software / hardware.

History, unfortunately, tends to repeat itself....

thats why WiKis fail.

in a moderated forum you can have posting guidelines, whatever does not meet the guidelines is rejected.

Guidelines would include
Subject: (light physics, electronics general, scanning, optics, etc)
Scope: (sentence or 2 about what you are covering [example: How to combine red and green with a polorized beam splitter])

Body: (duh)

Should include the facts references and the such.

should be sure to state when an opinion is given (eg. I am of the opinion that....)

etc etc etc ...