ILDA Format

[James Lehman]

Well, it seems like we have strayed away from the purely technical discussion again. So be it.

I have just offered years worth of insight and experience pertaining to the ILDA file format. I've demonstrated a technique that, while still 100% compliant with formats 0, 1, 2 and the original 3, has been recognized by you as being my own original concept. I've proved that formats 4 & 5 are completely outside of the functionality of the original formats. I've gone on to offer more ideas to extend the utility of the ILDA file format. And I've offered to write a new standards document.

I guess a good question to you and everyone else on this forum is this:

Do you really think it makes sense to hold the fate of the ILDA file format in the hands of people who have professional motives that contradict its usefulness and further development?

Or do you think it makes more sense to let other people work on it who gain from its advancements and depend on it as a working solution for exchanging laser vector art?

My code is open. You can read it any time you want. I can easily distill a set of tests to measure the compliance of any other ILDA file reader / writer. I can also offer a great deal of technical help to any programmer in any language without having to see any proprietary code.

I offered my code to ILDA as a standard for compliance a long time ago.

I'm not so sure why you are worried about having to turn your world upside down to be compliant with the ILDA format anyway. You never really got format 2! And that has been a part of the standard for many, many years.

James.

[Pangolin]

I have just offered years worth of insight and experience pertaining to the ILDA file format.

Ummmm. aha. And how many years insight and experience have I offered?

I've demonstrated a technique that, while still 100% compliant with formats 0, 1, 2 and the original 3.

Let me stop you right there. Nope. Sorry James. It wasn't the ORIGINAL format 3. It was YOUR original format 3. As I looked through the history, by the time Format 3 had been documented, it already had the alternative header which you hated.

Remember -- the architect of Format 3 was Peter Jakubek. And he put in the alternative header. It was all his idea, so basically he rules when it comes to Format 3. He himself never set for anything that didn't have an alternative header.

So, sorry, what you propose has nothing to do with the "original" format 3.

has been recognized by you as being my own original concept.

Yes. It was you who chose to mix format 3 with format 2 and other formats. This was never conceived by anyone within ILDA. You won't find it documented anywhere because -- basically, I bet we would all think it is a kinda wacky idea. Certainly I think it's a pretty wacky idea.

It may have benefits -- for your own system. But would not benefit any system that does not use your own unique concepts. And I just don't think the world at large would benefit from adopting your own concepts.

James, everyone has a way of accomplishing color effects. You have your way, but it doesn't mean that everyone has to do it your way to accomplish the same or similar things. Every other company has their own ways. Stop pretending that you have something so useful that everyone should use it. You might have something useful for your own system, but it is not necessarily useful for other systems.

I've proved that formats 4 & 5 are completely outside of the functionality of the original formats.

YOU HAVE NOT "PROVEN" ANYTHING!!! I have "proven" that Formats 4 and 5 are ENTIRELY within the functionality AND SPIRIT of the original formats.

Your idea of mixing these formats is so far "outside the functionality of the original formats" that literally nobody else on earth thought of it (here's the important part) INCLUDING ANYONE IN THE TECHNICAL COMMITTEE!!!

Do you really think it makes sense to hold the fate of the ILDA file format in the hands of people who have professional motives that contradict its usefulness and further development?

Or do you think it makes more sense to let other people work on it who gain from its advancements and depend on it as a working solution for exchanging laser vector art?

Well, myself and other ILDA members would say that there is a method for accomplishing what it is that you propose. That method is for you to join ILDA, and then for you to join the ILDA Tecnical Committee, and then for you to set forth your proposals, and then for you to work within the committee to try to get things done.

But I warn you, doing this is surely a way to get your heart broken. As I have said many times "things done by committee" are full of compromises. Craig Nelson (whom some of you met on the ILDA cruise) joined the technical committee for around 1 day, and then un-joined after deciding it was just too slow and painstaking to get anything done. Plus, things done inside any committee take a damn long time. Would anyone here believe that ESTA are still working on DMX-512?!!!

Anyway, there are ways of doing what it is that you say you want to do. And there are ways to not do it. The way to not do it is to piss and moan on forums that have nothing to do with ILDA as an organization...

I'm not so sure why you are worried about having to turn your world upside down

Hehe. It's not my world that will be turned upside-down. And I am not worried about anything that you do .

You never really got format 2! And that has been a part of the standard for many, many years.

Oh, here we go again. Me not getting something... James, if I "never got" Format 2, then why is it implemented in my software? Why was it used for the first time to implement interleaved Format 2/0 show playback for the first time during the 2002 ILDA Jam -- a collaborative laser show that -- oh by the way -- pre-dated LaserBoy by at least two years?

Sheesh James. I sure wish you would stop passing judgement on others.

Bill

[soforene]

You're wasting your time Bill.
He pretended to be sane for a while but the true egotistical self obsessed nutter has emerged once again.
Here in the UK these kind of people can often be seen in towns pushing a shopping cart filled with all kinds of junk and muttering to themselves as others give them a wide berth.
Pretty much the same as is starting to happen here (but without the shopping cart).

[Banthai]

Sofa said ...

Here in the UK these kind of people can often be seen in towns pushing a shopping cart filled with all kinds of junk and muttering to themselves as others give them a wide berth.

ahhhh ... they also have them sort in the USA .... only on my last visit i took a photo of this poor old Lady

[James Lehman]

soforene & Banthai,

Neither one of you has ever offered one bit of intelligent input to this matter.

Why do you persist?

If it's thread hi-jacking you don't like; I started this thread for that very reason.

James.

[Banthai]

Tinks said

soforene & Banthai,

Neither one of you has ever offered one bit of intelligent input to this matter.

Why do you persist?

Sorry James .... I dont do "intelligent" unfortunately i was born with this Brain defect that makes me sit back on this world and not take everything seriously ......................... it was a joke

PERSIST .... WTF .... i have had you on fucking ignore for the last few weeks, when i took you off i thought that you had seen your ways and had stopped your bullshit anti ILDA/pangolin rant but your last posts just took it back to the begining ... sorry james, if you think im sitting here waiting for you to post so i can drag you down ... you are wrong.. i have better things to do. ( and you are making a grand job of destroying any credibility you have left, yourself, so no help from me required )

I have come to the conclusion that you just wont accept the facts ... and personaly i think you never will

Karl

[James Lehman]

I think I have a plan.

I haven't started on it yet, but I think I will change LaserBoy so that it can read anything it might have ever written, but in the future it will only put out files with a .ild extension if and only if they are nothing but formats 0, 1, 4, or 5.

I'll make a new file extension for LaserBoy files that will be completely the same as formats 0, 1, 4, & 5, PLUS it will recognize a working implementation of 2 & 3.

As long as I keep an eye on the ILDA format, I should be able to add new features to my own format that hopefully won't get clobbered by any future development of the ILDA format.

I will make my file format open as well. I will also accept resonable suggestions for addition to it.

In other words, my format will be ILDA with a few additions that make it work well as an open medium of laser vector art exchange.

James.

[keeperx]

SOooo
you will continue to let laserboy EXPORT to ilda (formats 1245) and will create a NEW file format that happens to have started out as ilda, but progressed to the point where ilda no longer recognizes is as ilda.

sounds like this discussion is over....

[Pangolin]

You can make your own format. That is no problem. That is, in fact, what all other software companies do anyway...

You can make it substantially similar to ILDA, and have your own extensions. All of that is no problem.

As long as you call it something other than ILDA, and use someting other than ILD file extension, then everyone will be happy.

(I am sure all of this has been suggested in the past...)

Maybe you can call it "JILDA" for "James ILDA" or something like that .

Bill

[soforene]

...sounds like this discussion is over....

Thank Allah for that.
Mebbe Tinkerbell will crawl back in his cupboard and the forum can return to its rightful place in the universe of praising King Bill and his product of many colours.