Laserworld

[gottaluvlasers]

Ask the seller what power MODULES are used in this supposed "1.3 Watt" projector. According to "vakuum" in a previous thread, the 1.8W model uses 1.3W of combined, laser module power. HOWEVER- the lasers "may have the possibility to readh 1.8W." so therefore the laser is sold as a 1.8W laser. This is a complete assinine way and dishonest way to sell a product. ESPECIALLY Lasers. If you purchase a 1.3W Laser, the absolute bare minimum combined output power (white beam, full power) should be 1.3W AFTER THE APERTURE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

All of this bullshit of optics losses, mirror losses, maximum powers, minimum powers, well the laser can possible put out this or well- for safety we quote "possible output powers" is nothing more than a bunch of immoral CRAP to sell people (the majority of people, i will agree that a few people here and there get ok powers. but remember- even a broken watch is right twice a day) under spec equipment to maximize profits.

Myself, and i GUARANTEE you ANY other legitimate, integrity driven Laser company in the USA and foreign do NOT quote Laser powers like this. And in the USA we have STRICT regulations on how manufacturers quote and spec out Laser output powers. In the USA, when we build projectors, we sell you a 1.8W projector, and it outputs a BARE MINIMUM of 1.8W at the aperture. Also, we safety report the system and danger classify the system as probably a 3.6W Laser. It has been said that the CDRH likes lasers to be classified, reported and warned (with labeling) with double the output power of the Lasers possible powers. HOWEVER- here is the difference- we dont sell you the Laser as that "mythical" maximum output power. We sell it to you as exactly what is- a 1.8W Laser and make you aware of the dangers that it can POSSIBLY output a specific maximum output.

Laserworld and a few other questionable manufacturers do the complete opposite. As explained very simply time and time again by Laserworld and even their affiliates.

If you purchase a 1.8W Laser projector, what do YOU expect to get?? 1.8W? or 1.3W? If you get 1.3W (an approximate $750 laser output differece) do you think that is fair? However- If you purchase a 1.3W Laser and it outputs 1.8W, dont you think you would be happy and think/speak highly of the company?

Its ALOT easier for a company to assume their customers are idiots than it is for a company to maybe lose a few dollars on a profit margin. You decide what type of company you want to deal with!

I can tell you now that Stanwax Lasers doesnt pull this BS, CT Lasers doesnt pull this BS, X-Lasers USA doesnt pull this BS, KVANT doesnt pull this BS. And i bet you my left leg that you cant find a SINGLE negative review or "rant" of ANY of those companies with the company trying to defend their assinine business practices.

-Marc

[astatic]

Another story about LW/Swisslas.
Here in Holland a person bought a lasermodule from Swisslas 1200/640nm by checking the specs on the LW site.
A year before he bought a PSU from LW (12v/3A) and uses it to power the new Swisslas module.
After two days the diodes are dead.
On the website of LW they give less info so this could happened, if it's happened because of the underpowered PSU.
Swisslas told it's because of the PSU had to deliver at least 5A.
The worst part is that the guy has to pay €700,- for repair and he also has to pay for the transport.
If your a decent company you should at least split the bill in my opinion.
I think this topic will only grow and grow in the future, i'm happy that i've read about LW and there way of selling.

[dzodzo]

oh first i misread it that after two years the diodes were dead, then i would understand the payment for repair as it may be out of warranty time but then i read again after TWO DAYS... that should be done for free, either repaired or exchanged for new module, this is normal in Kvant, seems Laserworld has different bussines practice =)

[geeeee12345]

If you are wanting Laserworld your best (safer) bet is to keep a keen eye on ebay.. they often have laserworld RS & PL series units that go rather cheaply... I got my RS 800mW RGY for only £250!! Bargain at that price flight case included BUT have found however that even without testing the output really is noticable in comparrison to my 680mW RGB (with only 80mW on the green).... so yea can be hit n miss but if you get lucky with a cheap one then the punch doesn't feel so bad and gives you a good idea then if you wanna risk going for another....

[astatic]

But Swisslas told the guy it got broke because of a wrong PSU, they told him that he had to use at least a 12v 5A instead of the 12 3A he used.
He bought the PSU a year earlier from them.
I'm can't tell the diodes will die because of a underpowered PSU, but i should think only the PSU will have a hard time and will die instead of the Diodes.

[LaNeK779]

well, maybe 3amps were not enough juice for the TEC and there was some overheating involved...

[JStewart]

I haven’t read through this enormous thread, and it seems like there are various quality issues people have been unhappy with, but the underlying problem that seems to upset most people is the way output power is quoted.

On the former point about build quality, I saw some LW devices at a recent tradeshow, and it looked, (as you would expect), that in return for parting with more money, the mechanical look and feel of the units improved.

However, with regard to quoted output powers, it is universally clear from comments I have picked up over time, that both manufactures and customers are confused by the figures quoted, and don’t see it as being fair.

In the UK, Laserworld have a new representative, Dennis Phoenix. It’s probably worth people feeding back the concerns about how power is quoted to Dennis, as he seems keen to move Laserworld forward.

The other thing I would suggest to manufacturers that are members of ILDA, if it is an issue that you would like to see addressed, make it a topic to be resolved through ILDA and see if the trade association for your industry can help resolve the concerns; this may be through developing a standardised way of quoting power.

James

[tsteele93]

Well as someone new to this part of the hobby, I can assure you that I would avoid LaserWorld like plague. The ONLY thing that would change my mind is if they chose to come HERE and address the issues and explain what they have done to correct the issues. Additionally, they would have to sell to members here with an escrow so that the buyer could return the unit and get their money back if the laser did not meet up to expectations.

I doubt that will ever happen and I can't imagine why anyone would gamble on LaserWorld after reading this thread? What possible reason would someone have for taking the chance?

[jtnichol]

THis came to my inbox today:

"Laserworld is now available in the USA!

We are happy to introduce to you our New York office! As an expert for international professional shows, the Laserworld Group not only distributes Swiss and German made high end show lasers, but can also offer you turn-key-solutions. For sure, we could find a suitable or even customized solution for all of your purposes – now also represented by our newly opened US-office! Please contact our colleague Jeff Cornell – our qualified professional will take care of every detail to ensure that the services offered completely satisfy all of your needs!"


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So what does this mean? They are approved for sale in US? I'm so unclear on this company

[dsli_jon]

Hi jt -

So what does this mean? They are approved for sale in US?

Well, based on the fact that there is ZERO, and I mean ZERO-evidence of ANY-sort of 'approvals' - let-alone, even any Var-submissions, in all of FDA / Regulations.gov-accessible databases, I'm gonna go with: still, a big, fat NO. The *only* thing that you can turn-up, is an Import-Refusal record (..surprize, surprize.. http://www.accessdata.fda.gov/script...ineId=1&SfxId= yeah, it's 'old', from 2007, but... if there was *anything* of-substance, since-then, there should be *something*, in the DBs...

..Even-if, let's say, they were submitting / going thru the 'process-mill, under an 'alias' or a 'state-side Co.' - ie: Laserworld, AG, dba 'Krusty Klown Laserz' if they've got anything on the 'box' (read: projector / product, itself..) that says "Laserworld", there should-be *something* in one of the DBs, somewhere, that Ref's it.. ie: "Krusty Klown Laserz, submission for a Variance, Product Report Accession #XX-XXXX, "Laserworld Dopefly LaZ0r 500-G" etc, etc.. Even though the FDA DBs are, yes, 'old and 1/2-broken', etc, etc you should be able to find *something*..

..ie: Contrast, finding ZILTCH for Laserworld-anything, vs, ie: Connecticut Lasers, X-Laser, LLC, Free Matrix, LLC, BB Laser Productions, etc, etc - *tiny* Co's, by-comparison, to 'Laserworld, AG', yet... they all show-up *something*, either via FDA-search http://google2.fda.gov/search?q=&cli...ctfromgsa=true or Regulations.gov searches..

So, do all these 'crickets' speak-well of Laserworld-products being 'approved', in any-way, shape, or form? I think-not.. And remember, kiddies: an "Accession #" is NOT AN 'APPROVAL', OF ANY-KIND! Any more-so, than a 'Take a Number' ticket, you might, ie: get in-line at a Bank, means, 'Yes, you're approved for the Loan!'... It's nothing more than submission-acknowledgement receipt, and a case-filing Reference #..

Additionally, this:

Laserworld is now available in the USA! We are happy to introduce to you our New York office!

...means absolutely *nothing*, relative to 'legitimacy' / or approval.. heck, 'al Qaeda' can say the same dang thing!.. ..And Laserworld has been illegally-hawking / selling their stuff, here, for a looong-time.... All this 'New York office' means, is they are now, directly 'giving the bird' to NYS, as-well-as the FDA / CDRH..

If they can 'prove this wrong', well, let's see even ONE 'Approval-letter link', ie: http://www.regulations.gov/#!documen...07-V-0253-0004 , http://www.regulations.gov/#!documen...11-V-0319-0003 , etc, etc - don'cha think Laserworld, with its' 'massive, global-empire of lazermazingness', should be able to produce ONE, of such-something??

I'm so unclear on this company

..and ya know-what? That's *exactly* how they want you to feel.. So, all you look-at is the 'yummy-pix', and the 'yummy-price'.. don't *think*, don't 'worry about those pesky Variance-details' or that 'big, bad-mean FDA'.... jussst, buuuy ittt nooowwww... yessss, you can feeeel, your eeeyys getting sleeeeepy... yesssss, that's it, cloooose your weeary-little eyeeessss, and just give us that little CC#, we'll compleeeetelyy satisssfy aaaalll your neeeeedssss'... (..spoken in perfect 'snakese'..

Measure twice, cut once.

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