Laserscope Modification Just Finished!

[prodjallen]

Well Jon,

I've been busy with school an haven't had time to even look at this page here, but LOL, as far as taking my ktp goes, that WON'T happen, but if you wish to help me in variancing the laserscope and making it legal, which i'm currently trying to work on in my spare time, then sure maybe, some of the stuff you said was common sense as far as questioning me in why a cert. is required, give me a break, i'm not as stupid as you may think I am. And if a laser-show requiring such great power for lets say a tour application, if its needed I will rent the varianced gear from another company as touring applications tend to pay well to cover the costs of renting, and as an operator, there is no "Operator Variance" its for the venue location, the event, and the lasers accession # is required for the either of the show-variances. And also please keep your threats to yourself.

Thanks,
-Allen

[dsli_jon]

Hi Allen -

Glad to see you pop up on the grid...

Well Jon,

I've been busy with school an haven't had time to even look at this page here, but LOL, as far as taking my ktp goes, that WON'T happen,

Hmm, well I will be very keen to see you argue that with the Lieutenant...

but if you wish to help me in variancing the laserscope and making it legal, which i'm currently trying to work on in my spare time, then sure maybe, some of the stuff you said was common sense as far as questioning me in why a cert. is required, give me a break, i'm not as stupid as you may think I am.

No, you are correct - you are only as stupid as you demonstrate yourself to be, which, if everything that seems to me to be is correct, it's worse than I thought. You already DID a show with that TOTALLY illegal mess of a 'conversion'?? No, you're not stupid, which is exactly why you should know better than to be where you are with all of this, and exactly why you're gonna get hauled out on the mat for it.

When we spoke on the phone, and you wanted all this 'help', I made it clear to you that info about these systems is not passed out to just anyone - like I said, if someone calls a gun shop and says, 'hi, I've used guns before, I know what I'm doing, and I want you to help me convert this semi-auto I just got off eBay into a full-auto - can you help me?' - BZZT - not gonna happen without you FIRST, proving you are, in-fact, qualified. IF you had come to me WITH a Variance, and said, 'hey, I'm thinking about getting into high-power, can you help me navigate thru successfully?' you'd have likely been half way thru the paper-process by now, well on your way to doing safe - and LEGAL - shows.

But, instead, you seem to think you know it all and the proof is that you wave '40W' around like you think it's like saying 'hey, I have a big d**k, look at me...'
Don't think so? Hmm, Post# 45:

The Best Thing i've used is Screen Used for keeping flies out of a house on sliding doors and windows etc and its black, and usually their aluminum. They work great for low power and also super high power lasers in the QSwitched ~40w range like a laserscope in my case... blah blah blah...

Do you even realize how 'WTF?!' this sounds when you don't even possess a Variance nor a certified laser nor a certified projector??? And don't start with the 'well, I am in the process of finding out...' BS - you have ZERO business owning that laser UNTIL you have had proper safety training with those lasers, which involves a LOT more than just a 'beam shutter', as you so knowingly-quipped... And especially NOT DOING SHOWS IN PUBLIC WITH IT.

And if a laser-show requiring such great power for lets say a tour application, if its needed I will rent the varianced gear from another company as touring applications tend to pay well to cover the costs of renting, and as an operator, there is no "Operator Variance" its for the venue location, the event, and the lasers accession # is required for the either of the show-variances.

Umm, ok, I am seriously starting to believe that mixedgas is right - I think you have cracked one too many a crystal, my friend - and if you are nothing more than a reseller' of other's varianced show capabilities, what business do you have advertising "we DO" and "we HAVE", as if you ARE a legit Sho Co? Again, you seem to suffer from thinking this industry is all about 'my d•k is bigger than yours' - 60 Watts of WL, my @$$... Please explain to us all, if you would, HOW you would go about producing 60W of WL? And we want technical details, not just 'I use a bunch of 171s...'

And also please keep your threats to yourself.

Well, Allen, you asked for help, and help you're gonna get - but the help is gonna be on MY terms, NOT yours - not a 'threat' whatsoever - if you are, in fact, really all legit with all this, how could assisting you to get legal and safe be any sort of threat? I am merely going to assist you (since you clearly are refusing to make it known that you will not / CANnot do any more shows with your KTP till legal / safe, by voluntarily turning in your KTP mount / x-tal to my 'escrow' offer) to NOT do ANY more shows in public - or even in your garage - with your KTP until you are Varianced (BOTH) and you can explain backwards and forwards the whys and wherefores of safety with this much laser...

Now, don't get all in a fit over this, you're smart, right? so it really shouldn't be all that tough for you, but again, I help you MY WAY, and like I said, that starts with 'escrowing' your KTP mount /x-tal - or - I won't rest till the Lt. is at your door, and if they take your entire system, well, sorry, dude, that's the law...

Again, not a 'threat', just the way this is gonna go down, cause I am NOT gonna sit by, and hear that 'something happened' when I could have done something to help. You wanted my help. You jumped the gun. So, here we are and I will be in touch.

ciao
J

[aijii]

*yawn*

Page 21 of much the same as page 1.

wow.

has it occurred to anybody that maybe internationalprodjallen is winding you all up ?

I vote to kill this thread. the 0's and 1'z can be of more use elsewhere on the internetz. You may as well be bashing your head against a while whilst dry fingering your butt.

I do wonder though, how thick allen's baseplate is ?

[Doc]

I do wonder though, how thick allen's baseplate is ?

Or more to the point; how loose it's going to be when the FDA have finished with him.

[mixedgas]

d as an operator, there is no "Operator Variance" its for the venue location, the event, and the lasers accession # is required for the either of the show-variances. And also please keep your threats to yourself.

End quote:

Wrong Again Junior, You need to read the fine print. I can't let you take my projector out by yourself out unless you are my trained employee. Operational and liability/ safety responsibility remains on the variance holder. My manual reads myself and my trained employees only. Employee means just that, you need to be paid by the variance holder. And by specifying myself only, I get some useful perks over a store bought system. And under labor law, employee and employer have a pretty strict definition. And unless the facility is part of a permanent install, there is no variance for the facility.

So if you RENT gear from me you are NOT my employee. If I rent gear to you, I and YOU both are in violation, there is a way around this, but I'll be damned if I'm telling you how to do it. And contractually, you need to tell a client you are remarketing the services of others. Otherwise a corporate client or a disgruntled bride will sue your ass off if a show fails or is not satisfactory.

And there is only one thing meaner and more vindictive then a disgruntled bride on the planet.

A variance is a permit to take gear that is outside of normal compliance with 21 CFR 1040.1 etc and use it in public under certain conditions.
One of those conditions is that the operator owns the gear and has a variance for that specific gear, or is employed by a variance holder to use the gear and has had training. Just because a given piece of gear has a accession number, it does NOT mean I can borrow or rent my best friends projector and go use it on my variance.

And just because you cant find the word "training" in 21 cfr 1040.xx.yy does not mean it doesn't have to happen. Only a fool acts as his own legal counsel. What happens during a laser safety inspection and what is in the books are two different things. Throwing chapter and verse at a inspector is not going to prevail at the end of the day.

There are ways to deal with the rules, but you are such a disturbed indivdual, Because of that I'm not going to give you any assistance, until, you hand that KTP oven module to Jon or another legal laserist for safe keeping.

Get some counseling and take some legit meds. You, IMO, need them.
And a Dale Carnegie course, you sure as hell need it.

Legit, Honest, persons do not have to look for loopholes. So what did you take, E, Meth, or Pot that damaged your ability to do critical thinking and care about others?

Steve

[Xytrell]

Say, did the laserscope get its 'vag burner' nickname from where I think? What did I miss?

[mixedgas]

Say, did the laserscope get its 'vag burner' nickname from where I think? What did I miss?

Laserscope is usually used for kidneys, prostrate and female issues. It does have other uses, but its great for leaving lesions where there was um," extra tissue growth" caused by certain bacteria and viri.

Steve

[platinum]

Say, did the laserscope get its 'vag burner' nickname from where I think? What did I miss?

Vagina burning.

Correct.


-Jonathan

[Laserman532]

Vagina burning.

Correct.


-Jonathan

kind of disgusting, but that is the reason that these medical units smell just like burned skin...V-warts, so hauling one of these machines around to gigs must make his mother proud.

[heroic]

You need to be a trained LSO for a show variance to be valid. You need to have a guide to operations. You need to have a clue. None of these things apply to you, since you're a know-nothing kid who hasn't even finished school, with a massive chip on his shoulder who's going to end up in a jail cell sooner than he thinks unless he stops screwing around with lasers.

Well Jon,

I've been busy with school an haven't had time to even look at this page here, but LOL, as far as taking my ktp goes, that WON'T happen, but if you wish to help me in variancing the laserscope and making it legal, which i'm currently trying to work on in my spare time, then sure maybe, some of the stuff you said was common sense as far as questioning me in why a cert. is required, give me a break, i'm not as stupid as you may think I am. And if a laser-show requiring such great power for lets say a tour application, if its needed I will rent the varianced gear from another company as touring applications tend to pay well to cover the costs of renting, and as an operator, there is no "Operator Variance" its for the venue location, the event, and the lasers accession # is required for the either of the show-variances. And also please keep your threats to yourself.

Thanks,
-Allen