Laserscope Modification Just Finished!

[prodjallen]

Some of the other styles do have 4 legs... But they don't open as wide as the tripod would, I've seen cranes and rotators that can lift 120tons which only weighing maybe 3-4 tons, and thats because of the outriggers they have in place, even if there was shift in center of gravity of the item being lifted, for example a loaded box truck on its side, the outriggers are designed to overcome that shift in weight, same goes for the tripod, if each of the legs come out about 6-8 ft... Theres less of a chance someone hitting or falling on it, and the head would only really weigh about ~50lbs (not 200lbs)... I will challenge DLSI Jon to come and physically try to knock it over in a typical situation, wind cannot really knock it over unless it was 80-100mph, there isn't enough surface area on it for it to "fly away"... I've tested this tripod method, and by shaking the tripod by its neck 2.5" dia pole, and 8ft base dia between legs, it merely vibrated, if i took took a beating at it, maybe moved 1/2" Some who has a Laserscope, like Jon should come see its stability... (Don't take it as you guys are wrong, I want to know why it wont work, you guys are basing it off of what you have seen in the passed, not an actual build...)

[Lexat8]

Some of the other styles do have 4 legs... But they don't open as wide as the tripod would, I've seen cranes and rotators that can lift 120tons which only weighing maybe 3-4 tons, and thats because of the outriggers they have in place, even if there was shift in center of gravity of the item being lifted, for example a loaded box truck on its side, the outriggers are designed to overcome that shift in weight, same goes for the tripod, if each of the legs come out about 6-8 ft... Theres less of a chance someone hitting or falling on it, and the head would only really weigh about ~50lbs (not 200lbs)... I will challenge DLSI Jon to come and physically try to knock it over in a typical situation, wind cannot really knock it over unless it was 80-100mph, there isn't enough surface area on it for it to "fly away"... I've tested this tripod method, and by shaking the tripod by its neck 2.5" dia pole, and 8ft base dia between legs, it merely vibrated, if i took took a beating at it, maybe moved 1/2" Some who has a Laserscope, like Jon should come see its stability... (Don't take it as you guys are wrong, I want to know why it wont work, you guys are basing it off of what you have seen in the passed, not an actual build...)

Evening All!
Maybe you should invest in a digital camera, Mr Prodjallen! How did you test your tripod system, by shaking a stock image from ridge lighting?
http://www.rigelighting.com/Products...t.php?SubID=60
Still, get one any way, cos I'd like to see the pictures from when Jon comes to visit

Cheers

Lex

[Laserman532]

you are an accident waiting to happen. Wow you must be an engineer..a real smart fellow.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YKLNmj7-ods

oh and I would like to add...I can knock over any mother fucking thing you could build.

[prodjallen]

Accident's Can always happen, and will happen, but they can be prevented, but that youtube video is operator error, he didnt know the limits of the crane, prob wasnt a crane operator to begin with...

[Laserman532]

very much like yourself with respect to lasers and laser safety

[prodjallen]

ok then let me ask you, when only a floor was available to you, same height that your crowd was standing on what did you use? Other then scaffold, almost no-one uses scaffold for lasers anymore, none that I've seen around here, everyone has light ass solid state lasers...

[Diachi]

ok then let me ask you, when only a floor was available to you, same height that your crowd was standing on what did you use? Other then scaffold, almost no-one uses scaffold for lasers anymore, none that I've seen around here, everyone has light ass solid state lasers...

Fibre launch.

Your laser isn't a light ass solid state laser though, it's a heavy assed solid state laser. Use scaffold or a fiber launch. Those are your options.

[Doc]

I shudder when I see images of crane accidents. I am our company's registered AP (amongst other things) so it is my responsibility to perform the calculations and produce the legal documentation for our crane lifting operations.

I have a couple of lifts next Monday, one of them here in central Manchester.

The job looks like a piece of piss, but the whole area has underground car parking with Victorian brick built vaulted ceilings. Good job the AT6 will lift my shit, I *just* scraped the maximum permitted ground bearing pressure with 10' x 6' matts

[Laserman532]

ok then let me ask you, when only a floor was available to you, same height that your crowd was standing on what did you use? Other then scaffold, almost no-one uses scaffold for lasers anymore, none that I've seen around here, everyone has light ass solid state lasers...

Put the crack pipe down bro, your best bet is a 3 x 5 scaffolding for the gear you can get a 6'6" tall single level and put a road case on top for the 9'6". You are so full of shit...ALL professionals use scaffolding due to stability, especially for anything with weight...only frikkin DJ's would use a crank tripod or 4 leg stand.

The fiber optic option??? - dont make me laugh I only know of three that have done fiber from vag burners successfully and one of them is me. He cant get a fucking emission indicator or key switch less on fiber optic coupled remotes...laughable...

every time you post - you perpetuate your ignorance, standing by for more

[gottaluvlasers]

Allen-

this is the *exact* reason why people are getting more and more fed up with you. You ask your question(s)...

Is a crank truss or tripod a good idea? (or however it was worded. im not directly quoting now).

you get everyone here to pretty much give you the exact same answer of "NO, not a good idea AT ALL." but then you challenge everyones answer as to why it is indeed a good idea. or why it will work safely.

If you already have the answer, or what you think may be the answer, why are you asking for opinions? Our opinions obviously don't mean anything to you as you have made very evident in the past.

If all you have is a flat floor, you use scaffolding or a shelving system. I use them. and my lasers are 1/4 the size and weight of a laserscope. I dont know where you heard that scaffolding or a shelf system isnt used anymore. If you cant hoist the laser like that, than unfortunately you don't do the show.

You know how many shows i have had to outright turn down becasue the venue just couldnt support a laser show? either low ceilings, multiple floors where beam height and horizontal access couldnt be controlled? I just had to turn a show away about a week ago for that EXACT problem. and this club had a SERIOUS budget!!! it sucks. its a horrible feeling. but it comes with the profession.

no laserscope system (afaik) has EVER been mounted to ANY sort of a tripod or crank up type system. in fact i can imagine the look on any inspectors face if they EVER saw a system mounted at a show like that (unless it was a fiber launch). I dont think they would care if it iwas a tripod that you could land a helicopter on. I dont think the words "crank up, tripod and Laserscope" are to ever be in the same sentence.

also, any laser show that would require the powers needed by a laserscope (if you supposedly do have a 30, 40+ Watt one) would be a "high end" and professional sort of some type of entertainment event. therefore, you will be charging, in excess of $5000 for at the bare minimum. i cant think of ANY laser company under ANY circumstances billing out a gig with a laserscope for a nickel less than $5000. if my mother and father had an event i would charge them at least $5000 for a laserscope show. lol. Just from the liability standpoint alone.
With that being said, if you showed up charging that type of money for a "professional laser show" with your 40+ Watt Laser and the client saw you hoisting that into the air with a crank up tripod (or similar) they would probably kick you in your teeth.

If you are charging less than ~$5000 for a laserscope show then you SERIOUSLY have other problems bcause at that point you are now seriously undervaluing the profession and undervaluing our services. and that is just as bad if not worse than saying "fu*k you" to the rest of us!!!

-Marc