Laserscope Modification Just Finished!

[Laserman532]

and it goes something a little like this,,,


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QI1go72c5H8

[Laser Wizardry]

Allen, you know I have also tried to help you, and have given you several chances as well. I want to see you become legal or keep it a living room hobby. Too many "attitudes" have led to too many safety accidents that end up shoving more rules and regs down our faces.... And I feed my wife and dog and soon to be kid with my lasers, it pains me to read threads like this one, it really does.

Here is some more info you may or may not appreciate learning. We all make mistakes, the key is to admit them and move on.

re: the crankstand.. I had an "incident" involving a large fine and the inability to use several rented lasers in 2007. Because of a crankstand mounted laser.....

It had to do with lasers mounted to crankstands that normally are quite stable, but had been grabbed by a person and shaken to cause laser beams to completely miss termination points at a venue that was 2.3 miles from the end of the runway of Phoenix Sky Harbor airport. Happened right in front of the state radiation inspector, too. oops. not my laser, not my crankstand, I was not even near that stage at that moment. I had 3 variance holders working for me as operators that night, everybody knew what they were doing, or so I thought. i hired the guy, and the gear was covered under my variance and state license, so it was my ass.

if that was a laserscope, and it had been something like a stadium full of people, it would have been CNN worthy like the russian and belgian incidents were.... keep that in mind Allen.

See? Even a variance holder can fuck up. And believe me, their are minor incidents all the time. But when using the big stuff like a laserscope, most laserists really will leave it on the ground, or put it on a scaffolding tower with a forklift... A high budget real gig with one of those pays well enough, you can afford to do it right...

Further proof that even a real variance holder can fuck up was that 2 weeks after my incident, another real show company, also a variance holder, and an ILDA member at that did a show with unterminated beams, audience scanning, and no FAA notification at all, completely unreported.
That guy got caught red handed, er, "green handed" by the state inspector who got dragged out of bed at midnight to go deal with it. With Cops.

5 Watt "Blitz" projector.. Hot yag with a tight beam... My state inspector was so pissed, I was hearing about that guy for the better part of a year.

BTW, my fine was $2000 to my state of AZ, for a 1.2 watt CW YAG beam that went into airspace for less than 3 seconds.
I do not even want to think about what the other guy's fine was...... Wow....

trust me kid, you do not want to do this illegally. If this is what happens to guys like us when we have a bad day, imagine what they would do to you if they ever read the stuff you have publicly posted for the world to see. Seriously. And Steve has a point about the future security clearance, if you really want to go into engineering as a career.


One of the quotes from my write up basically simmered down to the "structural rigidity and stability" requirements that one must detail in their initial product report when they make a laser system and certify it. And I saw firsthand why the CDRH is concerned about how a laser is mounted. Even a good crankstand, an LT16 or the Global Truss ones you posted a picture of ( I use those myself, I am familiar with them) can sway and wobble enough at an indoor rave gig enough to have beams " go wild" in even medium sized venues. And my lasers weigh under 50 lbs, or they go on a scaffolding. Even scaff can move during a good rave gig........... Tripods and cranks? forget it for any show where more than a degree of wobble or tilt can cause a safety violation.



And FYI, even the 4,95 mW chauvet type lasers that do not require a variance, still have the same audience separation guidelines and exposure limits as the big stuff does. It does not take more than 4,95 mW to be illegal audience scanning. Keep that in mind, as I am sure the CDRH will when they finally get your variance paperwork.

And your comment about the bigger companies not being on here and not having attitudes? Well, you are part right. A lot of us are bigger than you think we are, we laserists tend to not update our websites or advertise much to reflect current times. A lot of the bigger companies have employees that lurk on here as well. Trust me, I can think of the screen names of over 20 "real" companies lurking on here that you would never think in a million years are actually on here. A lot of the ILDA big names are here, some of the regulators are here.

Seriously dude...
Everything we all type here is public record.. This thread as it is could cost you a future job, mixedgas steve is completely truthful about that security clearance thing.

YES, I have had to undergo security clearance background checks for a laser light show gig before, that's normal if you get booked for anything with serious level politicians. One tech with a drug charge on his record from 14 years earlier almost prevented them from signing the contract with me....
EVERYTHING YOU DO CAN AFFECT EVERYTHING YOU CAN DO

And about the bigger companies not having attitudes? LOL... I've been doing this for over 18 years, all I'm gonna say to that is, LOL... wait, better make than an ROFLOL...

The rest of you my age or older here know what I am talking about...

Allen, you've got some good gear sitting there. Let us help you make it do what it can do, just please, listen to the advise here and drop the attitude. We were all young with attitudes at some point in our lives. These guys are right. Photonlexicon.com makes it so that people like yourself actually can get into this industry if you want.. In the old days. It was pretty hard to learn anything from anybody. But now? Now... We are here wasting time out of our business day to help others learn. You came here wanting to learn, and a lot of us, myself included, freely shared advise to somebody who could be our next competitor.. Imagine our surprise when you did not want to listen to our hard earned advise...

my two cents...

[Doc]

The firm but fair hand of the law, clenched into a fist and pushed home by the Pro-secutor.

The Statutory Instrument will sure put a shine on the Sheriff's badge.

[prodjallen]

Karl, Your Very right, Your actually one of the quiet normal people on here, but please explain the post above, and the rest of them that look like that, how is that help?? ^ lol not much at all in my perspective, thats why my posts on here really don't make sense to anyone, it was mostly for the sh*ts and giggles same as everyone else was thinking of the thread as they all thought it was a joke, because they were just playing their "game", and boasting about THEIR safety, and i played my game, fair enough? I asked spec to delete the thread to start a normal one, but i guess he didn't want to... so thats where it stands, and now everyone will understand where i'm coming from about it, Not that I was BSing about having the equipment, but about the other dumb posts... But it's cool, I will find my help elsewhere, even if it means doing it myself and turning in a million revisions.

[buffo]

Really don't have a lot of time, but I do want to interject a few points here.

1) Spec has only ever deleted one thread in the history of the forum, and that was because of a pending intellectual property lawsuit that was filed based in no small part on the contents of the thread. Other than a case like that, Spec won't delete a thread - no matter how nasty or foolish it gets. It's just not done. At the very least, such threads serve as a warning to others. (This is what *not* to do...)

2) Allen, you can be rational, but you also have a way of letting your emotions (and particularly your ego) rule your posts, and that hurts you. This is the main complaint people have about you - that you're so busy trying to tell everyone what you know that you don't listen to their advice. And when you inject your anger into the mix, your posts become nothing more than fuel for a flame-war. Had you simply taken your lumps and been more contrite, oh, say, around 200 posts ago in this thread, you could be benefiting from the vast pool of talent here now. Pity that you didn't heed the warnings, as the only one who is losing here is you.

3) While I agree that some of the attacks on you were harsh, I did explain to you privately that safety is something we take very seriously here, particularly because our hobby (and even the industry as a whole) is under a serious legal threat in this country because of the flippant safety attitudes of a small minority. I also warned you not to try to prove your knowledge to the people here, for no matter how much you think you know, you'll always find someone who knows more. In the case of this forum, usually it's someone who knows a *lot* more. Again, it is most unfortunate for you that you did not heed that warning.

4) The fact that some people have become exasperated with you and have resorted to posting images like the one above is a sign that you have crossed a line at some point in the past which evoked this response. Rather than attacking the response, you really should look back at your previous behavior to see why it's happening. (After all, the forum doesn't attack everyone, right? So there must be something special in this case.) Bottom line - the bed you've made is your own doing, and now you're more or less going to have to lay in it. You can yet salvage the situation here, but it's going to require you swallowing your pride. (And you'll still have to take a lot of crap for it, even so. But you've well and truly earned it at this point.) I honestly don't know if you can do that, so...

5) If you need an approved variance by April, at this point your only real hope is to contact a laser professional who makes his living certifying lasers. (You need a lot of pull at the CDRH to get an answer back in less than a couple months.) You don't have time to do this yourself anymore, especially if it will take multiple revisions to get it right. Do yourself a favor and contact Casey Stack at Laser Compliance Inc. Don't worry, he already knows who you are. (Like many big players in the industry, he lurks on discussion forums even though he never posts.) He would be able to get you up and running legally (for a fee, of course), and you stand to learn a lot from him during the process. I don't know what it will cost you, but if you're serious about booking that LaserScope, the fee from such a gig will surely be enough to justify whatever Casey will charge to assist you in obtaining a variance.

Adam

[mixedgas]

Allen,

If not Casey, you could try Roberta McHatten,(spelling?) or Rockwell Laser Industries...

A warning, if you have signed contracts for April, and you cannot provide the services, I don't know about Kali, but in most states in the Union, you could have just opened yourself to treble damages plus punitive damages... Treble means triple the clients loss, and punitive means "pain and suffering" on your part.

Steve

[ElektroFreak]

This thread must stay put. There's a lot of flames, but there's also a LOT of good info from the true pros here. I've spent the last few days reading it gradually and there's a priceless wealth of good advice here.

[Laserman532]

I just thought it would be interesting to post ProDJ allens #1- First Post in this thread to see how far we have come...so here it is....

Laserscope Modification Just Finished!

I just completed my laserscope 800 series conversion for show-use (junk'd onboard computer, built my own with interlocks, temp, current reading, and added ktp heater oven industries 5R7-350A [$80]), I had the stupid qswitch J801 wires connected backwards, so when i thought i turned on the qswitch i was loosing power... but then i figured out i had the pins 1-8 backwards 8-1 haha! Now my beast works like crazy!! and i dont have a power meter to test it , but its pretty damn bright! after 36amps you dont see much of an increase in power/wattage as you hit the top of the curve and max out... Now with all this out of the way, i think its time for other neat stuff to add, I know the original on-board computer had some way of measuring the beam output power of itself by some "detectors" etc I was curious if there is any way to make use of those detectors to make an in-line power meter to have a constant wattage readout as im playing with my current pot? or maybe the calpod into a power meter? and ideas anyone?

-Allen A aka DJ ALLEN
www.allen.dj
Los Angeles Area: "WE NEED A CALEM SOON!"


And the entire thread reminds me of this...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SIZU_NZRfjA

[gottaluvlasers]

i just noticed his sight says 40-80 Watt 532's. is there even such an animal as an 80W 532? (for show use).

-Marc

[prodjallen]

Yes, its a laserscope product again its called a Green Light PV (or the HPS), you can possibly get 120w of 532 if aligned PERFECTLY, its solid state (diode not flashlamp), would need to be converted for show-use, I didnt mean it was "show-ready" like you asked above, you can google it...