Newest pangolin shows 5.0

[cyberb0b]

I dont know for sure, but i think that if you own an FB3, you do not have an licence for de IPL library's . But if you own an LD2000 you already have a lic for the IPL library.

I think its than more the case of wich hardware you own. But if a show does not contain a item from the IPL library, I think you can do everything you want with it.

[allthatwhichis]

What I get from that usage rights statement is, if "I" make a show with the frames, then "I" can export that show with the frames I have used to any format I choose for anyone using any system. You maybe right about playing the shows that come with LD2000 on an FB3 if you do not own a QM2000.

[Pangolin]

Hi guys,

Just a few points:

We consider the license terms to be based on "Pangolin hardware". So, for example, if you have a FB3, and you want to use some of the (now over 350,000) laser frames that come with LD2000, you can do that.

The FB3-related software will allow you to load in our file format directly, so not only is this a technical possibility, but it is also fully within our license agreement to do that.

Regarding friends making a copy of our distribution media and giving it to other friends -- technically as long as this is done within the Pangolin community, the terms of the license agreement allow you to do this (at least for the frames and shows). However, I would say that I personally frown upon this because it speaks to the very heart of what the word "copyright" means.

There is a lot of confusion about exactly what "copyright" means and how it works, but it's really quite simple. The word "copyright" means "the right to copy" (and then reproduce and distribute). As Pangolin has produced the software in the first place, and as we have secured rights to distribute the show material (in many cases we hired people to produce it), it is Pangolin who has "the right to copy" these things (and then the right to reproduce and distribute them). Technically speaking, users don't really have the right to copy these things except for archival purposes.

So, technically I would always prefer that people come directly to Pangolin to obtain distribution materials rather than get it from friends. This includes downloading the update files from our web site instead of from some third party web site. As one reason for this -- we do occasionally change the software and support files and sometimes even shows on the distribution media. By obtaining them directly from Pangolin, you are assured of receiving the very latest version.

So, although it's not murder , I think as a practice, it's best to buy the distribution media directly from the company who has the right to copy it. If someone's willing to just copy our DVD and distribute it to friends, I often wonder what they are doing with other commercial software... And at the price of $75 plus shipping, it's not like our practices are like Microsoft, Autodesk or other commercial companies (hehe, or for that matter the other laser software companies!!) who will charge you nearly the cost of the software and possibly force you to buy new hardware every year.

Regarding the exporting of frames and shows made by other people -- it is both technically possible and fully within the terms of our license agreement to export any and all content that is fully made by individuals. So, for example, in the case of Aaron (allthatwhichis), since he has made literally everything within his show, he can export this with no problem at all, regardless of the destination platform. In fact, the vast majority of shows sold by www.spectrabeam.de were first made on the Pangolin platform, and then exported to ILDA format and are now sold for the other platforms. (I guess that speaks to ease-of-use and capability of our software as opposed to that of "the other guys' "...)

Really the only restriction on exporting is if you want to export content that we delivered as part of the Pangolin software. I stopped counting a few years ago, but back when I did count, I think I came up with the number $125,000 worth of frames and shows that we distribute with our software. So, in other words, you buy a Pangolin system (even LD2000 Intro) and get $125,000 worth of artwork with it "for free".

It obviously cost Pangolin real money to be able to distribute this content and give it away to our users for free. In return, we only ask that users not export this material for use on non-Pangolin hardware.

I hope this clarifies things!

Best regards,

William Benner

[heroic]

Hi Bill,

how do you feel about giving updated FB3 workspaces, etc., to those of us who bought Neo-Laser projectors that included FB3s? I note that LiveQUICK and the FB3 firmware on the Pangolin update page now works on the version of the FB3 that shipped in those projectors, which is cool, but we're still stuck with ancient workspaces for LiveQUICK and that kinda sucks. I couldn't see any way to download those on your site.

Also, do you guys have any ShowRider LIVE workspaces you could share? I'd love to have more material in ShowRider format.

thanks,

-J.

[Things]

Bill, I understand some of the LD2000 shows arent compatible with the FB3? Is this due to the way the shows use the hardware?

There are quite a few shows on the FTP server etc I would like to see, and I can open the .lds files in livequick, Draw3D etc, but they arent in order, so I cant actually watch the shows.

Cheers,
Dan

[oliverst14@hotmail.com]

if i understand what bill is saying then what iv done is totally acceptable. i have loaded the rythem is a dancer show into the la studio software. then synced it to the length of the song. the problem is u dont get the full show due to the hardware doing clever little effects with it that aint built into the fb3 or la studio. for example at the start alot of frames are just a picture that was manipulated by ld2000 and qm.net to make effects so when i try to play on the fb3 it is .1 of a second long and flicks to the next one.
what i decided was to remove any stages where there was a frame like this (i think this only happens at the start) and put redesign it for myself. At the start i just had a banner slowly coming into focus saying rythem is a dancer till the main beat kicked in.

The show looks no where near as good as it will with ld2000 but it still looks good. i could make it even better but just havent bothered. im just showing that it is possible to do this if u manipulate the files in certain ways

ollie

[Things]

if i understand what bill is saying then what iv done is totally acceptable. i have loaded the rythem is a dancer show into the la studio software. then synced it to the length of the song. the problem is u dont get the full show due to the hardware doing clever little effects with it that aint built into the fb3 or la studio. for example at the start alot of frames are just a picture that was manipulated by ld2000 and qm.net to make effects so when i try to play on the fb3 it is .1 of a second long and flicks to the next one.
what i decided was to remove any stages where there was a frame like this (i think this only happens at the start) and put redesign it for myself. At the start i just had a banner slowly coming into focus saying rythem is a dancer till the main beat kicked in.

The show looks no where near as good as it will with ld2000 but it still looks good. i could make it even better but just havent bothered. im just showing that it is possible to do this if u manipulate the files in certain ways

ollie

Mind sharing it?

I saw the Made Of Stars video on youtube, that is pretty damn impressive ... I found the .lds file on the FTP server and I can open it with liveuick, lastudio etc, but once again the frames aren't in order.

I thought I heard something about a "show portal", where some LD2K shows would also be available for the FB3? I realize you wouldn't be able to get all the LD2K effects in the show, but it'd be nice to be able to watch some