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    I think this photo says more than enough.



    Obviously, she's not lasing yet, but here's a little rundown of what we've done so far:

    First of all we wired it up and gave it a general inspection, I was quite surprised about the state the head was in when I took the cover off. Quite clean for a tube that's been stored in a barn shed for 13 years.



    The only 'problems' we ran into were quite trivial, but time-consuming. The 3-phase connection was quite straightforward, the transformer is working perfectly and we got the 'LINE' lamps to light up even before the plumbing was done.

    The hosework was kind of a mess. Seems the plumbing fittings have been cut with the same tenderness as the power cable, the water lines seem to feature quick-connect and release fittings in a year long gone, but there was nothing left on some couplings but some ground brass and a 3/4" thread as the couplings were just slaughtered with an angle grinder.



    After a few attempts at a make-shift hose coupling with the inlet hose, we decided to get a standard 3/4" hose barb fitting and be done with it. By 6PM the system was up for it, and able to hold the pressure. Hence the huge puddle on the floor and the reason the power supply was on a little stool, to prevent damage from any leaks or and to prevent accidental contact with leakage water.



    Quick overview of the setup. The 400V-220V transformer in the back of the shot (connected to the red 16A three-phase socket), with the 265 exciter in front of it, and the 168 head to the right on the X-shaped frame.

    Throwing the circuit breaker for the first time, we didn't get any power to the PSU because the PSU's breaker kept tripping. My initial suspect was the hour-counter, which was obviously installed as an 'aftermarket' add-on and might have been faulty, but the breaker kept tripping even after disconnecting the suspected culprit.

    Then I found out the main power light didn't react to any change in the MASTER CONTROL switch. Either on or off, the light stayed on, sp I suspect the previous owners had bypassed the master switch for some reason. Laserwinkel didn't have any keys to the PSU, so we installed a standard ON/OFF switch which would serve the same function, but it just doesn't work and the unit is always on when the breaker's on!

    I tested the switch as well as the keyswitch it replaced, and both show an open circuit in the 'OFF' position. So somewhere there's a relay that's stuck on.



    Back to the problem at hand: It turned out the breakers were continuously tripping, because everything started up right at the instant the breakers were thrown, resulting in a huge inrush current on the 208V. Once the cathode filament warmed up, the breakers happily stayed on, and about 40 seconds later we got a nice illuminated 'READY' light

    A quick check with the compass to be sure the magnet was working (I would't want to reduce this thing to a heap of melting stuff anytime soon!), and we both decided to go for it. And presto -- the tube lit up on the first hit of the button.

    Double-checking the cooling flow, the tube itself runs fine and we now clocked about an hour of run-time at 20-30 amps on it, after a pause of about 13 years of down-time. Somehow it's quite hard to believe that the exhaust water from the main line was only lukewarm (~30C) at 30A of tube current, effectively dumping 8kW of power straight on the street. We were probably fortunate to have a cold day and almost-freezing tap water.

    The WATER ON light isn't on, but I can ensure you there's water flowing through the head. Either the bulb is burnt or the water bypass valve has been bypassed just like the master switch. There was actually an air bubble locked in the cathode bell, which eventually disappeared when the tube warmed up some more.



    Looking down the cathode end at the discharge. The actual plasma looks white, but there's only blue light left once it reaches the anode -- maybe there's something wrong with the krypton fill?



    And here's the anode end. We decided to call it a night at about 7:30PM, and so I haven't got the chance yet to take a look at the mirrors or Brewster stems and windows. They might be squeaky clean, or they could be completely covered in dust and crud. We'll save the optics part for another episode of this installment.

    Nearing the end, I did take a double-check at the tube voltage. When it's running, it's a nice and pristine 234V (at 20A IIRC), but for some reason it was only 304 Volts when the tube's off. Could it be that the capacitor in the doubling circuit is nearing the end of its life? Either that, or I somehow mis-read the 5 on my DVM for a 3. But in any case, we got a nice collection of highly excited argon and krypton ions, ready to throw some photons at the front and back mirrors for some nice laser light in the next episode!

    Your local Doc Emmet Brown, signing off.

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    GET THAT LASER OFF OF THAT PIECE OF CRAP STAND THING, RIGHT NOW, OR I WILL PERSONALLY COME OVER THERE AND KICK YOUR ASS!

    Ok I think I made my point...NEVER use something like that as a table for a laser...PERIOD!

    anyway, congratulations on your success, you will have that baby lasing in no time. Trust me, the brewester windows are just fine, dont mess with them. If I were you, I would turn the vertical knob, counter clockways about 1 turn. Gently rock the plate vertically while slowly turning the horizontal knob to one side for about 1/2 of a turn, and if it dosnt flash, go back the other way while rocking the plate vertically. Do this at 30 amps and Ill bet you will see a flash.

    CONGRATULATIONS!!!

    EDIT, take a close up picture of the SN tag on the cathode bulb part of the tube for me please

    EDIT 2...Holy shit...i just read this There was actually an air bubble locked in the cathode bell, which eventually disappeared when the tube warmed up some more.

    NEVER hit the start button with an air bubble in the cathode area, i am amazed you didnt blow the tube, all you have to do is lift the ass end a few inches and the bubble will go away...DANG MAN dont do that!!!
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    oh did I mention...GET IT OFF OF THAT FLOPPY STAND!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Laserman532 View Post
    oh did I mention...GET IT OFF OF THAT FLOPPY STAND!!!
    "Next time on The Spectra Chronicles... Doc Emmet Brown will conjure up a mount for his new science experiment out of a set of garden chairs, gaffer tape, and a box of paperclips!"

    But, seriously, the stand is not THAT floppy as it looks. It's not cheap plastic and holds together nicely, I'd be confident to sit on it. And a 168 isn't THAT heavy!

    We'll fix a more decent way of putting the laser somewhere (like, a table...) next time we fire it up. Thanks for the tip (and the warning) about the air in the system, eventually, the closed loop chiller WILL get there, with proper closing valves so we don't have to drain and fill the system every time.

    Mentioning that, what IS the best way to drain the unit to prevent any corrosion? I figure blowing through the inlet hose would do more damage than good (not to mention using a compressor), but having water standing still in the jacket is just as much a bad thing.

    The master relay is also one thing we still need to fix. Still need to figure out what caused it to switch 'on', even with the power switch turned off. Might the relay have been burnt out? We might need that switch in later, more demanding situations, especially combined with some paranoid safety interlocks

    If you want to fly over here from OR and whoop our asses because we got this thing working again (not to mention, tinker with a mixed gas laser head) be my guest. No expenses paid, unfortunately...

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    re: the stuck relais

    I sent him the email with how to unlock the locked schematic zip I had scanned for him. The zip file is on the FTP server.

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    that stand is stable until you hook your foot on it or kick it or something along those lines..anyway you have been warned.

    you can disconnect the head from the ps and blow out in both directions with about no more than 60 psi when blowing from the water in side of the head you can raise the head about 8 inches and all water will go by by provided it dosnt slide off of the stand LOL!

    it was probably your interlock ckt, the fourth section of the breaker, turn the ps on its siide and remove the bottom panel and look at the ckt breaker you will see the fourth section (the section that does not have the 3 phase wires attached.

    wanting pics of that label on teh cathode
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    It looks like it would probably be easier to open up the PSU and connect a new power cable to the internal connection point.

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    i have seen the light

    great job yesterday Stoney3K

    anyways if someone sees great deals on PCAOM or nice scanners please let me know
    Edit: i'll make the pics of the labels on the cathode tomorrow laserman532

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    Quote Originally Posted by laserwinkel View Post
    i have seen the light

    great job yesterday Stoney3K

    anyways if someone sees great deals on PCAOM or nice scanners please let me know
    Edit: i'll make the pics of the labels on the cathode tomorrow laserman532
    you got it lasing?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Laserman532 View Post
    you got it lasing?
    nono just the glow

    anyways here is the photo of the label on the cathode
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