LASERSCOPE ORION for sale

[JStewart]

Wow, sorry to say this, but what a mess. Pat is right, there is not much that is legal about that laser. I certainly wouldn’t describe it as ‘A fully converted for laser show use working Laserscope Orion in excellent condition !’

It would be pretty much illegal to use the system in that condition indoors or outdoors here in the UK too. And in doing so would definitely invalidate any public or employer insurance.

Sorry to sound harsh, and it’s not a personal attack on you, but it’s bad news when high power devices like this, which don’t conform to any Laser Safety Standards turn up on the marketplace. Particularly when they are being sold as an ‘excellent condition converted system’.

Hopefully someone on here will be able to make Simon an offer for the laser as parts, and rebuild it into something that is semi-safe.

[flecom]

Wrong. Several people reached out to him, including me. Even after other people were ready to contact the CDRH, I decided to give him one last chance, after a long chat with Casey Stack at Laser Compliance Inc. convinced me that it would be better to educate him than to condemn him. Sadly, I didn't have any more luck than Pat, or Steve, or Marc, or Jon, or anyone else who tried to steer him towards safety.

well I guess I missed that between all the >1mw pointer stupidity, i tried to stay away from that thread as much as possible

[Simon]

as far as the other guy???he is a menace, and you have no idea of the history a few of us that have dealt with him personally. He deserves to be crusified and his laser dropped off the GG bridge...he has earned that.

This has NOTHING to do with me and I would kindly ask you and others to not clutter up this thread PLEASE...

Now flemcon, if you read my statement correctly. I said the unit would NEVER be legal in the US. I have not personally laid my hands on this masterpiece but from what i can tell...it has no keyswitch, it has no sealed cover, it has no cover interlock, it has no emission indicator and it has no warning label and no aperature label...and i doubt that the lamp is disconected in the event of someone opening the cover.

In fact you are wrong, it has ALL you mention.
The remote control unit has a keyswitch with indicators and isnt pictured here.
The top cover was removed and interlock defeated to demostrate the laser working for the photographs and I wore safety protection goggles and mask whilst doing do.
The lamp is switched via a relay which is in series with water level, water temperature, the cover switch, an emergency stop switch aswell as a key switch.
(these are located on a remote control box)
There is a "LASER EMISSION" lamp on the main cover next to the appeture but this is removed for pictures.

I will be takeing more pictures to prove all this !!!

My diagnostics of the system were spot on. Until you can proove otherwise. It is another cluged together piece of crap vag burner...i've seen a hundred of them and this one is second in line to prodjallens.
If it were a masterpiece of technical art, I would also say that....unfortunately this one isnt in that category.

Laserman532,

It may have my stupid rushed mod of gaffer tape but otherwise it is all as you demand !!

I am beginning to think you are being arrogant by thinking that you are the only person in the whole world allowed to own or use these. !!
I respect your knowledge and expertise but dont ever assume I am a dumb ass or would sell an item that is not fit or doesnt have at least the basic safety features !!!!

I have listened to you rant on about this and have acknowledged your advice but you sneak in an insult at every opportunity in order to make youself look superior here.

I will repeat I am FULLY aware of safety aspects and risks of all types of laser sources and vast tecnical experiences in most fields that use lasers.

Just because I now choose to do laser displays it does not make me stupid or dangerous and in fact if you actually took time to read what I have written before on this very thread in relastion to the sale of this item, I clearly say it is unsuitable for my use which is why I am selling it.

You may not like the unit, so what. Its a good unit that someone could take on and either make it better or break it for spares.

I welcome any reasonable discussion on my laser shown here for sale but will not tollerate keyboard warriors trying to inflate their popularity !
You dont know me or my background so please dont assume everyone is the same.

Now please, unless you have anything "NEW" to say I would ask you to keep off this thread !

[Laserman532]

Simon Says

"A fully converted for laser show use working Laserscope Orion in excellent condition !"

you said it not me...I'm just the one pointing a few things out on it. You can try to fool some people, but as someone knowledgeable in this area I felt it my duty to inform lesser informed people of the true nature of the beast. It is very similar to the Laserworld thread.

You can get all insulted if you want, I cant control that. Yes, I do prefer people with proper training handle machine guns. There are a handful of people who should operate this kind of machine, and there is a SHIP load of people who shouldn't. I made no judgment call on your qualifications.

I rest my case with this video - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EApuJj6ZomY


EDIT- I cant tell exactly from these pictures but there is also the chance that this laser will emit IR as well. Further diagnosis would be required.

[Simon]

Laserman532,

I am not trying to fool anyone and yes I am insulted by that comment !

The laser is in good working order and has all the safety interlocks you previously mentioned and I will make sure the buyer is fully aware of the dangers and risks.

What more, as a seller do you think I dould reasonably do without losing money ?

I have had it for a long time and used it at least twice a week for the last year or so (around 100+ outdoor shows !) and surprise surprise, no one has been injured due to the fact I do know what I am doing and have had the proper CAA and HSE paperwork to do such shows here (until now that I have moved to a new venue) !

You sold Laserscopes and parts for them... whos to say none of those parts ended up in the wrong hands at some point and caused someone inury....

In fact, tonight I have seen you openly discussing Q switches in Z folds on another thread... Are they not dangerous in the wrong hands.......LOL

[Laserman532]

you're right, I'm wrong.

With that logic, if I sold bullets, and someone got killed it would be my fault.

How old are you simon?

[Simon]

I never said you were wrong about warning about the safety aspects
Now dont spit the dummy ... How old are you ?? :P

As for your gun analogy my answer would be "yes" if you apply the same logic you have been applying to Laserscopes !

Guns dont kill, people do.

Dont blame the scope for what it is, you and others may not like them but I am sure there are plenty that do and I will make sure who ever gets this, will be fully aware of how to use it safely.

Oh and I am 40+ ....

[flecom]

Guns dont kill, people do.

guns are a lot more fun

[Laserman532]

I never said you were wrong about warning about the safety aspects
Now dont spit the dummy ... How old are you ?? :P

As for your gun analogy my answer would be "yes" if you apply the same logic you have been applying to Laserscopes !

Guns dont kill, people do.

Dont blame the scope for what it is, you and others may not like them but I am sure there are plenty that do and I will make sure who ever gets this, will be fully aware of how to use it safely.

Oh and I am 40+ ....

ive got to figure out how to quote from so many post.

Ok so you are 40, very good...so i could assume that you are able to follow cognitive thought processes. I am not trying to insult you...it just seems that you dont even read what I type, and I see that type of disconnect on another forum of younger individuals.

I choose NOT to go back and defend my statements...ESPECIALLY my first response to your thread. GO BACK AND READ IT.

I made NO Judgment on YOUR qualifications EVER yet you IMPLY that I did.

I know what a laser (especially laserscope conversions) in EXCELLENT CONDITION look like. I also know EXACTLY what a HACKED TOGETHER PIECE OF SHIT VAG BURNER looks like as well.

Dont take it so personally. If I was trying to sell something I would be as accurate with my description as possible.

My points on pride, precision, craftsmanship and quality workmanship DO NOT DESCRIBE this machine...The only word that comes to my mind is FUNCTIONAL. If that offends you, well it must just be a cultural thing and certain standards of workmanship dont apply.

i'm 53 not that it means anything, I just didnt understand when i made my post, you assumed I was attacking you. SHOW ME ONCE where I implied that you were UNQUALIFIED. Ill be clear, my discussions have been about philosophy, pride, workmanship and safety formost.

Just because you want to SELL your laser, and you will inform the buyer of safety...DOSNT MEAN CRAP, because some DIPSHIT like the one we have over here on this side of the pond may end up with it...DO YOU GET WHERE I AM COMING FROM NOW?

Jeeez DRAMA OVERLOAD. Just admit it...its FUNCTIONAL and just barely that. And I'll add...in the wrong hands...ITS DANGEROUS.

[Simon]

Drama over.. Item Sold

I have another .... LOL