Here is what 100+mW to the eye looks like to me

[mccarrot]

Very good job, this is how all high powered pointers should look like DESTROYED!

[dream beamz]

I have been talking with the (former) pointer owner via email. He seeks a fair resolution to my taking of his pointer in order to avoid the obvious attempt at suing me for the loss of his property. He thinks I should replace his 100+ mW pointer. He claims it was over $500, but we all know pointers are about 1 USD per mW, so I don't know when or where this kid bought his pointer, but I have a problem with that value being associated with that power level as I had a 50 mW pointer that cost my friend 45 bucks including shipping a year ago...

Why are you still talking to him? Go ahead and press criminal assault charges against him and call the state laser inspector. This will shut him the fuck up about the "$500" laser pointer. You have a valid case, you need to make it a legal issue now.

And your right, CNN would love to cover a public case like this, but get ready for lasers to include pointers to be classified under the same laws which is exactly what you are trying to prevent. Once media is involved, politicians go apeshit to feed the public what looks best.

[ElektroFreak]

You definitely did the right thing, Laser Wizardry. Portable lasers are typically banned at all public events here in STL, but they still get by. Anyone who would use one to hit other people in the eye should be held down and blinded themselves, IMO, let alone lose out on the pointer.

I highly recommend hiring off-duty police officers to cover your raves in addition to event security. With our events, we found that having off-duty police present covers ones butt in ways not easily achieved in the rave business. With our cops, we dictate to them what they can and can't do on the property (no arrests unless violence is involved, etc) so that no one feels too uncomfortable with them around. In fact, I've found that most of our ravers feel more comfortable with the extra security. Also, it's good to have them there for quick response to the potential health problems that are connected with raves, epilepsy and drugs being the most common.

[Laser Wizardry]

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[Laserman532]

No, I doubt that- I was not able to see well enough to navigate the dance floor to catch this kid. My tech did the dirty work and came back to my backstage areas laughing and handing me a pointer...

As I was in mild to medium level pain / discomfort from the laser hit I got, I would have gone after the kid with my 4- "D" cell maglite and just dropped his sorry ass right then and there had I been able to see better.

As it is, I had a VERY difficult time driving home after the rave, every time an oncoming car's headlights were in my face, I had problems staying on the road.

The way I see this, I acted in self defense as well as the defense of the rest of the ravers from the injury potential being repeated.

I have been talking with the (former) pointer owner via email. He seeks a fair resolution to my taking of his pointer in order to avoid the obvious attempt at suing me for the loss of his property. He thinks I should replace his 100+ mW pointer. He claims it was over $500, but we all know pointers are about 1 USD per mW, so I don't know when or where this kid bought his pointer, but I have a problem with that value being associated with that power level as I had a 50 mW pointer that cost my friend 45 bucks including shipping a year ago...

Another problem with the kids desire is that the style and type he had would not be legal for even myself to purchase or possess in this country. I would almost love for this to go to court and have some local Arizona judge try to order me to violate a federal law....

CNN would be very interested at that point I am sure.

I guess next time I will bring the cops into the rave and start pressing charges each and every time see a pointer in the eyes...

As a CDRH variance holder who took a beam in the eye from this kid's pointer more than once in a matter of a few minutes, I will not stand for this kind of injury happening at my shows. The last several beams I have looked into directly were the result of high powered laser pointers, not my own lasers.

I may need some friendly letters of support from fellow American laserists to prove the danger this idiot was placing upon myself and others.

For the record, security does take pointers from kids, and almost never gives them back, yet now this is different because I am not a security guard. I only have state and federal paperwork that proves I know a little about laser safety and the laws about the safe and public use of lasers....

go figure.

My laser headahce the kid gave me on Friday night is gone, only to be replaced by another.

Would I change what I did if I could go back and do this all over again?

You bet! I would have had my tech lead me through the dance floor and I would have kicked the living shit out of the kid and taken his pointer anyways once he was on the ground.

He hit me first, with a laser beam that can be proven to have been dangerous to my vision. ( it burned hands, so of course it can burn eyes)

Either way, that pointer was being terminated.

Even if I handed it off to my state laser inspector, the kid would never have gotten it back, and then would have also been in trouble with my state laser regulatory agency, LOL...

Hey Karl, You did the right thing in the interest of public safety, you were the LSO on site therefore the authority...Great Job...I would have done the same thing.

Please dont take this the wrong way and Im not sure if it is a rumor or the truth, and If it is I apologize to every one and if it is not a rumor I would be curious about response.

Did you sell the Laserscope Vag Burner to PRODJALLEN? Because he is an accident waiting to happen.

Once again NO OFFENSE INTENDED.

[Laser Wizardry]

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Did you sell the Laserscope Vag Burner to PRODJALLEN? Because he is an accident waiting to happen.

Once again NO OFFENSE INTENDED.[/QUOTE]

I know where Karl's former laserscope is, and its NOT at Allen's. Its at a facility in the midwest in storage, gets dragged out once a year under carefuly controlled conditions, and is owned by a EE who knows more about tissue interaction then I would be able to collect in a lifetime of study..
I worked on it 6 months ago.

Steve

[Laser Wizardry]

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[Laser Wizardry]

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[Laserman532]

No Problem, I am glad you cleared that up. Your good name stands. I hate rumors but I stopped the rumor by asking out front for all to see. You answered, thats good enough for me. Anyone who perpetuates the rumor...STOP IT.

I had to ask because I sell spare parts and I need to know who to add to the black list