I've been following this thread for a couple of days, and the thing i notice first and foremost, is a lack of coherent communication. I'm still not sure what the problem is, even though it has been stated numerous times.
so, Dream and Pelosh, if you would explain your viewpoints in a bullet list, one statement/idea per bullet, i feel it would establish a common ground for people to go on.
aside from that, "as-is" is the same as "Caveat emptor". that's why it's not called "used and working" or "new" or "like new".
but seriously, enough talking in circles. i understand that you're pissed, i just want to understand WHY you're pissed.
"TO DO IS TO BE" - Nietzsche
"TO BE IS TO DO" - Kant
"DO BE DO BE DO" - Sinatra