Pangolin product request

[norty303]

I would say that would be extremely unlikely. If Beyond is indeed FB3 compatible, then there would be no reason to buy QM.net hardware, that I can see, for most scenarios.

[Lased]

Honestly to me, given the level of today's tech, it's amazing that there is any need for QM-type hardware at all. Every function of that outdated hardware can be performed real-time in software, and just as fast and clean if not more so.. Even the FB3 should really be nothing more than a dongle with a ILDA-compatible DB-25 pinout, and I suspect that the newest FB3s amount to just that.

This same theme is found in the world of music and audio creation, where it is no longer necessary to have a single hardware device aside from a modern computer. Hardware effects, synths, processing, etc, can all be simulated perfectly in software.. Of course if you're like me, there's nothing like a Minimoog sitting in your studio, but it is not required. I have plugins that do all that it does and then some.

[masterpj]

Well yes but that's not how the market works in laser my friend.
Secondly the more software wise the easier piracy can be performed *and will be*
Hardware protection is the way to go if you truly want your product to be piracy proof.

[Lased]

All you need is a requirement that the software not function in the absence of a hardware dongle. That problem has been solved for a long time, and Pangolin is already doing so with the FB3. In their case the software will only function once the dongle has been detected one time on the machine, after which it will run without it.

[masterpj]

Yes I do know that, but for one thing is that they'd never switch all their software over to FB3.

Keep in mind that imagine what would happen to everyone that bought a QM.
They would be pretty pissed, and looking at something being that obvious I could kind of understand why they don't switch everything.

[norty303]

Personally, I can't see any reason to own QM. FB3 is very capable, and I think the availability of Beyond for the FB3 (if it will be) could be a nail in the coffin for QM boards (unless Pangolin take steps to make sure it's still desirable, but I guess that would mean hamstringing a product, never a good idea...)

Certainly, if the competition have cheaper DACs with .net features, then Pangolin will seriously need to consider what place the QM format has in the product line.

[Lased]

Keep in mind that imagine what would happen to everyone that bought a QM.
They would be pretty pissed, and looking at something being that obvious I could kind of understand why they don't switch everything.

That's just the progression of technology..

I bought an 06 Nissan Altima, only to have the 07 model come out and make me regret it.

I bought a nice laptop a year and a half ago, and every single new one makes mine look slow.

No matter what, new technology will leave the old in the dust. As a technology company, it serves no purpose to be concerned with people's lack of desire to move forward with it. If that were the case, think where we would be technologically..

Of course, Pangolin and the rest of the laser show companies can make themselves exempt from the progression of technology and software development, but that serves no purpose either.

[sbk]

Personally, I can't see any reason to own QM. FB3 is very capable, and I think the availability of Beyond for the FB3 (if it will be) could be a nail in the coffin for QM boards (unless Pangolin take steps to make sure it's still desirable, but I guess that would mean hamstringing a product, never a good idea...)

How about replacing hundreds of meters of expensive and heavy ILDA cable with only one ethernet cable... Ok, this one would be solved by the FB3.net (or any concurrent .net solution, which exists).
Now, how about having a realtime deported hardware, which will unlikely crash nor being influed by anything on the computer while doing a show...

[Lased]

I see your point about reliability, but keeping with the "music creation" idea, there are people out there doing live shows on stage with nothing more than a laptop along with some form of human interface device. Crashes are not a real problem for them the vast majority of the time. Computers are highly reliable these days.. more than enough to do laser shows night after night.

Also, if a person is planning to use a computer for stage shows of any kind, they should have a dedicated machine with nothing else on it other than the software needed for the show, along with a backup ready to go at a moment's notice.

[masterpj]

That's just the progression of technology..

I bought an 06 Nissan Altima, only to have the 07 model come out and make me regret it.

I bought a nice laptop a year and a half ago, and every single new one makes mine look slow.

No matter what, new technology will leave the old in the dust. As a technology company, it serves no purpose to be concerned with people's lack of desire to move forward with it. If that were the case, think where we would be technologically..

Of course, Pangolin and the rest of the laser show companies can make themselves exempt from the progression of technology and software development, but that serves no purpose either.

I think you can't compare your nissan to this
Seen lobo? They never changed their system now did they?
Also they don't stop progressing, they are certainly shifting to more software wise. but the QM is always kept in between as a matter of protection and as a sort of license. I highly doubt this will change, but I don't know either.

Also lets not forget the security features of QM that it keeps shows in it's memory and keeps playing in case of your system crashes.
Crashes can still occur and will occur even when developing technology further, just look at the new programs with their shiney new interfaces
10x more shiney and more features, all great off course... BUT! they also appear to crash more often.