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    In all of my experience with PCs, going back to the early 90s, I have actually seen ONE real virus! Some guy I knew had a floppy disk that had Stealth on it. I'm not sure where he got it. I think it might have come from a computer at a public library. I used to build computers out of old used parts and sell them real cheap. So I always had a couple of machines that I could play around with. It was easy to infect a machine with the floppy. Just leave it in the drive when staring up. Even though the system failed to boot from the floppy, the virus was copied to the hard drive. Once on the hard drive, any floppy that got written to also got the virus. It was just as easy to get rid of the virus with an application that re-wrote the master boot record. I still have a copy of it somewhere.

    I read some time ago that most of the real viruses came from the Cold War. The basic ideas of the viruses were then copied and modified many times over.

    I have never run any kind of real-time virus detection software. All I ever do is use a select few free scanners that look for stuff and clean it up.

    I've cleaned up countless computers, but I've never had any real problems on my own machines.
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    Quote Originally Posted by james View Post
    In all of my experience with PCs, going back to the early 90s, I have actually seen ONE real virus!
    That's great James- you're one lucky guy! I do have a real virus on one of my PCs right now, it's called antivirus8 and its keeping all of my programs from functioning including the search function and system restore. I was lucky enough to find a file search tool so I can get all my junk off the old one before I reformat the drive. They do exist.. but I have been known to look at a racy pic or 2 on the internet from time to time.. ..

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    Steve-o, my antivirus nukes my show software as dangerous...

    As soon as I can afford it again LSX is going back on its own, private, dedicated laptop that will NOT be networked.

    Working at universities, I've seen my share of malware and viruses. Universities are a "hot" target for hackers who see us as a huge, free, server farm with great big data "pipes". Those hackers are state entities, private entities, criminal groups, other universities, and little 14 year olds at home.


    Ask me about the 14 year old at Selem, like all good sea stories, it starts with "You'll never believe what this kid did. This is a "No #hitter..."
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    Well, Steve I guess that I should reiterate my OP -- I don't think that there aren't any 14 yr old geniuses out there that don't write malware for the "fun" of it.. and I see your point about hot targets, I'm sure that universities are prime meat for them.. I have a recording studio IBM desktop with a SSD that *never* sees the web, and I make sure that it never will . I would like to hear that story of yours tho about the no shtter kid at Selem.. :]

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    When I say "real virus" I mean just that. Stealth is an example of a genuine computer virus. All of this other crap is just malware. It does not meet the exact definition of a computer virus. I think genuine viruses are all pretty much extinct as their common modes of infection are outdated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by james View Post
    When I say "real virus" I mean just that. Stealth is an example of a genuine computer virus. All of this other crap is just malware. It does not meet the exact definition of a computer virus. I think genuine viruses are all pretty much extinct as their common modes of infection are outdated.

    James.
    Are you just making this up as you go along?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnYayas View Post
    Are you just making this up as you go along?
    No, actually James is using the term "virus" correctly. The problem is that the media has corrupted the word virus to refer to any sort of malware, including trojans and worms. And while this is not technically correct, no one has bothered to correct them over the years.

    A virus, in the original definition, referred to a program that infected a computer by adding malicious code to the boot sector of a floppy disk. When the disc was booted, the machine was infected. Thereafter, any other disc that was inserted into the drive would have it's boot sector overwritten with the virus code, allowing the virus to spread.

    These days people don't boot from floppy disks, so finding a true virus (using the classic definition) is exceedingly rare. What people call a virus today is usually a trojan horse (malicious code that either replaces an otherwise valid executable file entirely, or sometimes is merely appended to an otherwise valid executable file) or a worm (malicious code that is network-aware and can spread via trusted connections between machines). But since everyone has gotten used to calling all malware a virus, the original definition has become somewhat meaningless, at least to the masses.

    But James has it right. Originally a virus was a specific type of infection, and it was distinct from trojans and worms.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robin View Post
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    Well, that's fcked-up :/ Nothing can ever be secure and there can be "listening devices" planted on any PC ?? What kind of listening device is he referring to ? Not audio, I'm assuming .

    (Adam, you and I must have been typing at the same time :]

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    Quote Originally Posted by buffo View Post
    No, actually James is using the term "virus" correctly. The problem is that the media has corrupted the word virus to refer to any sort of malware, including trojans and worms. And while this is not technically correct, no one has bothered to correct them over the years.

    A virus, in the original definition, referred to a program that infected a computer by adding malicious code to the boot sector of a floppy disk. When the disc was booted, the machine was infected. Thereafter, any other disc that was inserted into the drive would have it's boot sector overwritten with the virus code, allowing the virus to spread.

    These days people don't boot from floppy disks, so finding a true virus (using the classic definition) is exceedingly rare. What people call a virus today is usually a trojan horse (malicious code that either replaces an otherwise valid executable file entirely, or sometimes is merely appended to an otherwise valid executable file) or a worm (malicious code that is network-aware and can spread via trusted connections between machines). But since everyone has gotten used to calling all malware a virus, the original definition has become somewhat meaningless, at least to the masses.

    But James has it right. Originally a virus was a specific type of infection, and it was distinct from trojans and worms.

    Adam
    Not sure your definitions are quite correct but doesn't matter. The topic at hand is whether or not virus software is worthwhile. Saying that there aren't many viruses left doesn't really make sense in this conversation since virus software does more than detect "technically pure" viruses. And to say that they are virtually extinct based on your feeling that not many people use floppies (well, you don't but there are a lot of floppies that still exist in the world) is speculative at best. Remember, technically a PC is a machine built by IBM back in the 80s. But, times changes and so does terminolgy regardless of the orginal meaning.

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