Pangolin demonstrates 90K ILDA at Prolight & runs 3 shows simoultaneously

[colouredmirrorball]

cmb why would you even think about that? if the pricing on this page http://www.pangolin.com/products/pricelist-ld2000.htm is still actual (i believe not, because it doesn't have beyond listing) for that price you can get a pro level software with quality ethernet dac

and if you need 120k you'd still want the complete solution as there is currently no dac that would handle such speeds (i don't know about qm2000 or fb3.net speeds as i can't find any spec sheet that would list this value)
usb version of fb3 would not handle that because of ... well usb

Sure. Pangolin forces you go get the more expensive product, thereby pushing people away.

In my view of the world (but clearly not Pangolin's), $600 is not a hobbyist price. Let alone >$1000 for Beyond. If you sell 90k scanners at a "hobbyist price" but can only use it with the top level software you are doing the competitors a favor.

Again, not my problem.

[Stiffler]

CMB,

I hate to break this to you, but even at $1000 beyond is CHEAP, especially compared to the cost of a 'professional' laser projector (which can exceed $100,000!). But then again, I'm used to DMX lighting where decent software will cost $1000+, and a respectable professional console will be between $10,000 & $60,000. Plus, as has been explained countless times in this thread, no one is forcing anyone to do anything, and since there are clearly more than 2 solutions this is a false dilemma.

[colouredmirrorball]

CMB,

I hate to break this to you, but even at $1000 beyond is CHEAP, especially compared to the cost of a 'professional' laser projector (which can exceed $100,000!). But then again, I'm used to DMX lighting where decent software will cost $1000+, and a respectable professional console will be between $10,000 & $60,000. Plus, as has been explained countless times in this thread, no one is forcing anyone to do anything, and since there are clearly more than 2 solutions this is a false dilemma.

Allow me to correct you. It *used to be* cheap. Is $600 for QS + FB3 cheap? It definately used to be, and it looks like many people still regard it as so. But if you paid only $500 for a full RGB projector (legal in Europe), is that $600 still cheap? It's more than the whole projector! And if you want another one, you need another FB3. That is less than ideal in my mind.

I'll try to not reply again :P

[Stiffler]

Allow me to correct you. It *used to be* cheap. Is $600 for QS + FB3 cheap? It definately used to be, and it looks like many people still regard it as so. But if you paid only $500 for a full RGB projector (legal in Europe), is that $600 still cheap? It's more than the whole projector! And if you want another one, you need another FB3. That is less than ideal in my mind.

I'll try to not reply again :P

I doubt your $600 projector came with 90K scanners, so your entire point is moot. Besides, aren't you an LSX user? :-P

[JD3]

[DZ]

Allow me to correct you. It *used to be* cheap. Is $600 for QS + FB3 cheap? It definately used to be, and it looks like many people still regard it as so. But if you paid only $500 for a full RGB projector (legal in Europe), is that $600 still cheap? It's more than the whole projector! And if you want another one, you need another FB3. That is less than ideal in my mind.

Along with paying for a high quality, well designed product, you are also paying for the service that stands behind it. My service/support from another software vendor was awful, I ended up demanding a refund... When I had an issue with Pangolin software, a quick phone call and about 2 hours later I had a fix emailed to me. The other vendor took 2 weeks along with several emails before I could even use the software... There are very good reasons people sing praises to Pangolin....

[colouredmirrorball]

I doubt your $600 projector came with 90K scanners, so your entire point is moot. Besides, aren't you an LSX user? :-P

Haha, it's hard not replying when people ask direct questions

True, that's probably not the case. It's in fact a whole different argument. But say the Chinese copy the 90k design and sell it for $200...

And yes. I accidentally stumbled upon LSX and did not regret that ever. I think the price/quality ratio beats Pangolin by a high number. There are a number of downsides of course compared to Pangolin, like:

Along with paying for a high quality, well designed product, you are also paying for the service that stands behind it. My service/support from another software vendor was awful, I ended up demanding a refund... When I had an issue with Pangolin software, a quick phone call and about 2 hours later I had a fix emailed to me. The other vendor took 2 weeks along with several emails before I could even use the software... There are very good reasons people sing praises to Pangolin....

Nobody can argue that. The question is... does it matter for hobbyists? I believe in this thread or another, FB3/QS was called hobbyists level software. I can't help but laugh.

[absolom7691]

Along with paying for a high quality, well designed product, you are also paying for the service that stands behind it. My service/support from another software vendor was awful, I ended up demanding a refund... When I had an issue with Pangolin software, a quick phone call and about 2 hours later I had a fix emailed to me. The other vendor took 2 weeks along with several emails before I could even use the software... There are very good reasons people sing praises to Pangolin....

Following up with that, there is a reason why most Pangolin customers are "fanboys". That doesn't always hold true with most product vendors. I use Windows over Apple OS because of the open box freedom I have but I am certainly NOT a fan of Microsoft. I know Pangolin fans/users get the stigma of "Drinking the Kool-Aid" but honestly, if it weren't good stuff, we wouldn't be touting it as vehemently as we do. There is a lot more to Pangolin than just what is under the hood of their products.

Speaking about quality of products and withstanding the test of time, G-120s (which are very aged scanners) running on a TurboTrackII amp still outperform DT-40s. I have owned both. The only reason I opted for the DT-40s is because TTII amps are big. I don't mind paying for quality if it will last "forever".

Nobody can argue that. The question is... does it matter for hobbyists? I believe in this thread or another, FB3/QS was called hobbyists level software. I can't help but laugh.

I am a hobbyist and yes, it does matter. Bill and Pangolin have done some really awesome things for me. I know I am not the only one, as well. Any company that gives hobbyists the same attention that they give the big guys that spend $20K+, yes, it matters greatly.

[DZ]

I am a hobbyist and yes, it does matter. Bill and Pangolin have done some really awesome things for me. I know I am not the only one, as well. Any company that gives hobbyists the same attention that they give the big guys that spend $20K+, yes, it matters greatly.

I completely agree with this statement! Oh, and long live the G-120!

[dsli_jon]

With all due respect...I'm sure you realise you haven't had a pair of 506 or Saturns to compare to anything else either....

..Correct.. Precisely-why I'm not beating Tom / EMS about the head with a product *I* don't even own... Perhaps you might also consider the wisdom of the same-course?
(..with all due-respect..

j