Topic for Discussion / Micro-Poll...

[flecom]

should have been a multiple choice poll

[jooopy]

I'm in support of a minimum plus the additional advertisers income coming in as well. Why not squeeze it in from both sides. Respectful companies Yes. We live here. Rent goes up everywhere else as well. We can roll with it. It is a great value at a buck or 2 a month no big deal. Because we are having this talk obviously agreeing that this won't CURE all of Spec's issues at least we move in the right direction. Wanna sell lenses or mounts? Pay a little of that cash right back. Sure group buys are not easy take a ton of work in the end sometimes you sellers only break even and get a couple bones in your own pocket. Even no profit but a freebie for your efforts. Why not be fashion forward and state contributions 1st. "My $20 mount includes $1.00 donation to PL on every mount." or "This diode includes .85$ each donation to PL" etc. Will it raise the price? Yeah but the house comes 1st. It's OUR responsibility to support our PL home 1st. Before we rake in the $$ for selling software diodes mounts used he-nes and you sister old BB gun. Please add a donation 1st to ANY and all Sales here at PL is my suggestion.No donation No-Sale! Any takers?~ jimmy

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[dsli_jon]

Hey WL -

I think there should be a monthly subscription as there is now for those who can afford it and a one off payment button for those who can't but wish to make the occasional donation.

Been there, done that, not working sufficiently, for long-term PL-health...

..but I too don't think that PL is going to be sufficient to pay his way out of his problems.

May I kindly suggest that you have wholly missed my point - ..this is 'bigger' than just-Rob... and - I'd be really on-something if I was actually suggesting that - prolly best-case - maybe 4-500 people, at a $1./mo. contribution would be able to completely-substitute for more gainful-work... this is about PL, in the 'big picture', and being a little more-fair to Rob for the number of hours he give us all - not 'supporting' him, entirely... not possible, at least not @ $12./yr - Remember, under the scenario I've proposed - not everyone *will* sign-up for the 'Full Membership' - many newcomers will be happy with the access-level that 'free' gets them...

...Hopefully, many the 'longtimers' here, that do the $10. / mo, now, would continue to do-so, and not 'cheap-out', down to a buck.. ..that option is for more-intended for those that say 'I am someone with not a lot of money myself' - even they can contribute in a meaningful and consistent-way...

...And, even for those that currently do the $120./yr. - well, if they get 'stuck in the mud', sometime, and just can't do $120. - well - there's 'still an option', ($12.) that most-likely is doable, and - they're still helping... something is better than nothing, ya?...

..A far more constructive thing would be if someone on PL in his area could actually offer him a job..

Yep - workin on it... and re: 'a regular job'.. well, when he recently went to a nearby pizza place to ask about 'any driver jobs?', the owner essentially said '..yeah, 'take a number'...I get 10 people asking me the same thing, every day, sorry..' But again - my 'drive' here is about things much 'bigger' than Rob's problems... but this would help, if-but a little... Like 'Joopy' awesomely-posted, '..at least we move in the right direction'

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Hey Mr C -

ok, more days passed, and only 28 voters...maybe there is not enough "critical mass"

I hear ya, but let's give it some time - there's no 'emergency', here - let's take the time to all continue to think about this and come-up with the broadest-range of ideas / concepts - then we can, at the end of the 30 days, see where 'we're at'... I do think it would be a good idea for Admin to 'mass-PM', at least all the 'Active Members', and say '..hey, important, potentially PL-changing Topic, at-hand, Here.. Please come read / suggest / cast your vote'... but, ultimately, that's His call...

I love your idea of the 'PL Supportometer', ie:



...I'd propose that something like this get put-up, even-if we did the 'Paid-Membership' option... This way, we all see if / when PL ever needs a 'boost' / how the concept is 'working'.. or if it's not... I'll chat with the Cap about it, L8r...
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Hey Fle...

should have been a multiple choice poll

Umm.. it 'is'.. we have multiple 'degrees' of No and multiple 'degrees' of Yes, and one 'alternative' (ad-corral..) ... What good would allowing people to vote Yes *and* No, do?? I think this is too-polarized an issue to have a 'maybe'.. I mean, either we vote-to implement the 'change' - which, is still open as-to *how* / what-sections are 'Paid', ble-blah blah.. or - leave it as-is.... Are you wishing to suggest a 'new option' to vote-for? Or... did you want to change your vote?
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...for SELEM we all got a coaster and a couple got mouse pads.

Hey! How come I didn't know about those?? - they totally Rock!!! Where can I buy-one??!

Thx everyone...
ciao for now..
j

[dsli_jon]

BUMP.. for new Members, recently joined... we need more people to become aware / Vote!!

j

[norty303]

Hey WL -

Originally Posted by White-Light
I think there should be a monthly subscription as there is now for those who can afford it and a one off payment button for those who can't but wish to make the occasional donation.

Been there, done that, not working sufficiently, for long-term PL-health...

Jon, with respect, open your eyes a little please.

People are saying 'give me a one-off payment button'.

The appropriate answer should be 'yes, of course, because then we may get some more funds coming in, even if small'.

At the moment you are cutting off a potential funding source through simply refusing to provide that method of payment.

[dsli_jon]

Jon, with respect, open your eyes a little please. ...People are saying 'give me a one-off payment button'....At the moment you are cutting off a potential funding source through simply refusing...

OK, got it, and - respectfully reflected back at you... a) You're 'shooting the messenger' - I don't control what Admin does / does not do with 'the button'... If ya'll want the button back...Cluster PM-him, eh?? ...He said ..(and these are quotes..) " ..I took it down because no one used it for like 8 months..." - so, there ya go...

b) I agree - it *should* be up as an Option - BUT - it should not be the *only* option, is my chant... it, by itself, does not solve the 'foundation' concept, nor help reduce spammers / freeloaders, etc, etc... And, I for one, would rather not have to see a 'An Urgent Appeal from the PL-Founder'-post each and every-time the 'barrel is running dry', I'd much-rather 'send once a year and forget it'... $12. min, for 1 yr. 'Full Access', + visible Donate-button - with multiple-level support-options - and - the 'supportometer', right-up top, so everyone can see where PL is-at, financial-health-wise... Doesn't that sound like a 'reasonable recipe' to you?

cheerio...
j

[bennett326]

i know im a new guy but personally i would rather have a few ads. i think that even a very small fee would deter quite a few new guys..thats just me though

[dsli_jon]

hi bennet -

Welcome to PL...

i think that even a very small fee would deter quite a few new guys...

Really? Lemme suggest a re-read of just the 'first half' of this Post: http://www.photonlexicon.com/forums/...894#post214894 .. and then, lemme know what ya think, again...

I'd say if $12. for an entire yearof Full access would 'keep someone away', that would be rather shortsighted, Especially when - if they're just coming to PL for general 'Q&A' / advice - they still get all that, for 'free', all day long... So... I - personally - just cannot comprehend the 'counterarguments' to a $12. / yr min for, then, gaining access to the 'more advanced' sections... I respect your opinion, I just don't 'get it'... ...All the other ideas put-forth in this thread, ie 'ads' - sure, are great 'supplements', imo..

ok, I'm shutting up now, before I get my initials changed to 'JL'...
j

[bennett326]

hi bennet -

Welcome to PL...



Really? Lemme suggest a re-read of just the 'first half' of this Post: http://www.photonlexicon.com/forums/...894#post214894 .. and then, lemme know what ya think, again...

I'd say if $12. for an entire yearof Full access would 'keep someone away', that would be rather shortsighted, Especially when - if they're just coming to PL for general 'Q&A' / advice - they still get all that, for 'free', all day long... So... I - personally - just cannot comprehend the 'counterarguments' to a $12. / yr min for, then, gaining access to the 'more advanced' sections... I respect your opinion, I just don't 'get it'... ...All the other ideas put-forth in this thread, ie 'ads' - sure, are great 'supplements', imo..

ok, I'm shutting up now, before I get my initials changed to 'JL'...
j

hey thanks for the welcome did you not see the "very small fee" part i personally would pay 12$ but right now there are over 1000 people online and i dont know the pay to not pay ratio but a few non obnoxious ads would make more money i assume. i DON'T know that for sure. i also did read the whole OP...but one way or another we all dont like spending money. i personally would not pay 10$. still being in high school that's a fortune to me to most members not so much. basically ever website you go to has ads. only a few i can name without much thought or looking don't: sams laser faq, here, and nothing else off the top of my head. a couple banners at the top at the bottom personally would not disrupt my browsing. as long as they fit in with the page layout its not a real pain to have a few ads IMO.

EDIT donations how do they do around here? and whats the monthly goal. or is it a pay per month donation?

[norty303]

OK, got it, and - respectfully reflected back at you... a) You're 'shooting the messenger' - I don't control what Admin does / does not do with 'the button'... If ya'll want the button back...Cluster PM-him, eh?? ...He said ..(and these are quotes..) " ..I took it down because no one used it for like 8 months..." - so, there ya go...

b) I agree - it *should* be up as an Option - BUT - it should not be the *only* option, is my chant... it, by itself, does not solve the 'foundation' concept, nor help reduce spammers / freeloaders, etc, etc... And, I for one, would rather not have to see a 'An Urgent Appeal from the PL-Founder'-post each and every-time the 'barrel is running dry', I'd much-rather 'send once a year and forget it'... $12. min, for 1 yr. 'Full Access', + visible Donate-button - with multiple-level support-options - and - the 'supportometer', right-up top, so everyone can see where PL is-at, financial-health-wise... Doesn't that sound like a 'reasonable recipe' to you?

cheerio...

Hey Jon, I think you caught a fraught moment there, and a hasty reply on my part, so apologies for the slightly off delivery there. In my mind the debate is done here really, now is the time for action.
I think the main point is, we need a VARIETY of ways contribute, that fit as many people as possible. I was in no way advocating the one-off as the ONLY way, but in addition to.

So, how soon can admin have all this up and running? I have my £7.63 clenched firmly in hand...