9W RGB special red beam!

[White-Light]

I'm not taking sides in anyway here, I'm just going to point out that safety has always been questioned on PL.

If you have a bright show and post pics, which we all love, then the easiest way to usurp most criticism is post a simple explanation eg calculations were made and it was within MPE, or in that X country where there are no regs - so X MPE (hopefully below 10) was used. BAM's were used with gradual graduation so they didn't show. The photos / videos have been saturated to improve the look of the show for promotional purposes etc. or a combination.

No-one expects full calculations but a little explanation goes a long way. eg. if it had been said above the pics in question are eg of the 2W lasers not the 9W, a lot of this discussion straight away would have been avoided.

If that had been followed by the beams were at X MPE and the photos have been saturated for promotional purposes so weren't quite that bright in person, again a lot of the flaming avoided. I think there has to be some common sense used when posting shows. If things look extra bright, explain it and unless the explanation is so way out that no-one believes it eg god came down and made them brighter or it was at MPE when clearly the photos looks brighter and that alone can't explain it, then I'm sure a lot of the questioning will stop or at least be more toned down.

People on here are sensitive because a lot of people with no knowledge of lasers come to this forum and if things look extra bright might be tempted to copy them and whereas the OP of those pics may have put safety measures in place, the newbie won't have any knowledge of this and may just copy for brightness without realising safety had to be considered.

[norty303]

The bottom line is that all internet forums are communities. To an extent they are self regulated by the 'residents', and some employ a 'police force' in the form of moderators (although this sometimes goes wrong as power goes to people's heads).
PL is largely self regulating, with the opportunity for anybody to state where they feel something is wrong. To a certain extent, it works very well.
'The People' speak, when they feel they need to. As with any community, some people are more vocal than others, are self appointed spokespeople, and sometimes these people get ideas above their station.
In those instances, the community usually makes it known that their views are not representative of what the generally held opinion is.
I think that really sums up what is going on here, and perfectly healthy.
All people need to do is make sure they don't get caught up in any hysteria or 'general direction of travel' (e.g. 'sheep') thinking, and I think we'll all be good.

I do think it is important for people to speak up, if they think something isn't right, from any perspective.
Remember, you have crooks living near you in the real world...

I think some clarity on how the Buy/Sell section should work would be good though.

A forum I hold dear has just had to implement some big changes because the amount of traffic it got, meant that too many commercial sellers were using at a cheap alternative to ebay, and the signal to noise ratio was affected, along with the amount of dodgy deals happening.
I think the same could be happening here, so it may be worth taking action now, before it gets to the point where Spec has to do something more drastic.

[planters]

Safety is the most important issue discussed on this forum. I would argue with any one that disputes this. So, it is understandable when any thread exposes a concern about safety that there will be a lot of responses and even arguments. No problem. That is as it should be. But, I would like to put that aside for a moment.

RGB is trying to sell a powerful projector and likely a pretty expensive one as well. His post is more like a pop up add for a cheep Chinese knock off. The images seem random and lack references and data to support his claims. When asked for more information and detail about the components his response is pretty useless and falls back to an excuse that his manufacturer would not allow him to provide anything more. I would worry that the build might also show a disorganized approach or contain scanty documentation or haphazard support after receipt and so I would not be interested in purchasing or representing this projector. I am sorry if that position is offensive, but it seems logical.

[depo]

Can we first talk about the fact he is wearing gloves?

[LaNeK779]

Can we first talk about the fact he is wearing gloves?

hahaha! yes, that struck me as strange, too
anxious before the big show? sweaty palms?

[kecked]

I would just like to say that I enjoy seeing the stuff for sale. If I chose to buy it fine but I like just to see it. Especially if they show the guts. Second, I am the Director for Safety for a major University and safety is very important. That said this is my hobby and my stuff never leaves my livingroom. If all I do is in private it doesn't matter if I have a shutter or not. If you want to go pro move over to the laerists list.....Then you can enjoy all the politics as well as the flaming.

That said, it would be fine to ask for a donation to post stuff for sale. Even if it is only a $1. It shows respect. I would expect people to donate because they want to contribute. Nobody here can't afford $10.00 a year or even a month. Give up one or two cups of burnt starbucks coffee.

Last, you have no idea how much of a bad name PL gets from all this crap with vendors. Not many want to work with us on group buys because of all the non sense. Stop thinking how do I get this for as cheap as possible and start thinking about supporting a community. This is exactly why I go to local hobby shops and pay a few more dollars rather than ordering off the web. I support my community or there will eventual be no community and no choices. Then watch the prices go up.

Done bitching.

[astatic]

It's a free forum, he'll act as he pleases. If the actual Admin has a problem with him - or anyone - he'll deal with it, so... STOP ACTING LIKE YOU'RE THE ADMINISTRATOR.

It is a free forum indeed, i'm going to say over and over again: "it's a FREE forum" so stop complaining to RGB or any company has to PAY for there advertisement it's a FREE FORUM, am i misunderstand the word FREE?
And as i'm a visitor (not the admin like you suggest, those are your words!) i'm getting irritated that some of the visitors are keep on going to complain about contribution and safety wherever they can, like edision also says there are parts for it on this forum.
I don't want to read about it everywhere!!!
If this is what's PL is about than this will be my last posting on it.

And, fyi - *I* am the one that has been 'rallying' for all commercial members / people that wanna put a URL or sales-link in their sig-line, and / or people who don't, but, members like 'joost', constantly 'promoting', if-but subtlely, when-not directly-peddling their wares - and it's getting *REALLY* tiresome, for a forum that is *supposed* to primarily-be about LEARNING / knowledge sharing - THIS AIN'T EBAY!!!

No your not, if you check my reply you should see that i replied with a quote.

..My proposal was: You wanna sell sell sell sell sell sell? Become Blued and support the forum - at *least* in that-way - or take a hike. That was MY suggestion. And no, 'I'm not the Admin', otherwise, this would have already been that way. But, it is his call, and I respect his philosphies and his whys and why-nots. But, Don't go yelling at planters!! - if you wanna yell at someone about that, you go ahead and yell at me.
Again, he was posting what i quoted so i was talking to him.

Quote Originally Posted by astatic View Post

If this is what PL is going to be in the future, i'm out
I'll be seeing the Admin in a little while - I'll put in a good word for ya.

last time i sayd thing like this i was in the age when i was 15 or so, grow up!
If you can't handle my criticism why should i handle yours? Quoted:" If the actual Admin has a problem with him - or anyone - he'll deal with it".

@Masterpj,
Quote: If someone is ignoring this or either only saying: " Yeah so i do this for 15 years so I'm surely safe" IS WRONG
This is not backing up anything, this is not saying anything at all, What I assume from this other then just random bams (if they are actually used at all) Joost is not undertaking any safety calculations or regulations other then BAM at max....

If your going to complain about his safety as a pro then come with facts like a pro, but the most of the visitors who are complaining aren't substantiate the facts, they only say that a beam is narrow because it's a KVANT (i've read this topic back twice for Joost his posts and i can't find anything about saying KVANTS, it was only saying there where 2w projectors.
So if your really a pro then give Joost or any laserist a PM or mail and tell him that your having doubts about the safety, what if he did it safe but it looks unsafe he will be blamed for something he didn't do, would that be fair?

I think i made my point like others did also the opposite.
Have a nice day you all, i'm going to get a nice cold beer and enjoy the nice things in life (my kids)

Ciao

[platinum]

One point I'd like to drive home is in regards to professionals.

Professionals (people that have products that they intend to sell regularly and also people that perform in public venues, for the most part) should be held to a higher standard than hobbyists, especially in regards to safety.

If one posts videos on a public forum talking about a "9 watt" projector, then posts videos that may or may not be of this particular laser projector crowd-scanning at a public event, they should basically assume someone's going to inquire as to whether proper MPE measurements have been accounted for. By having this information available, most doubts about audience safety would be extinguished on the spot.

Now, if you dismiss these inquiries with an attitude or try to sidestep with excuses, you will cast doubt. I'll borrow from Stan Lee here: "With great power comes great responsibility."

/My .02

- Jonathan

[RGB LASER VERKOOP]

ohh ooohhhh, i am happy i not on this forum a lot hahaaaa
crazy!

If you don't no what i do, then not try to tell me good or bad.
i have no time to replay to all of you.
but this one i like hi hi 2,9W CRAZY !

this are the 1,6W SPectrums and they did a the time about 1W RGB in low and Full power in upper (above eye line)
And when you are at the party in reel, then you see the distance etc etc....
with my experience, i say this is safe! i test all the shows with my own eyes, and my eyes are still 100% no black spots, as other laserist have (i know! )
Please not talk to much bad, that why i stop this forum. when people talk nice, it is a good place to share information.
but to people who talk like this, i never give my open 2W 635nm red ;-)

enjoy the forum and keep it to facts please!

same as one idiot think i use 9W indoor reeeeely get a live!

[RGB LASER VERKOOP]

In hollan dit can be COLD